Crawl Control - meh 😁

[Zed]

As someone in the IT field, I'm always fascinated with technology. And so when I saw the video below I was initially hunting for a second-hand LC with Crawl Control.

But in yesterday's 5th Feb Khatim drive, I watched @Asif Hussain bhai doing this with my 2002 LC100 😃

I almost gave up and think that now I need to get towed, but seeing him patiently turning left-right and doing it with an old Cruiser makes me want to intentionally get stuck again and try doing this Manual Crawl Control 😅 . I'm sold now, there's no need to get the latest SUV for offroading, since anyways computers, software and AI learn from tried & tested manual human techniques 😁

 

[Rahimdad]

@Zed if you are so techy and sold on this video for an idea of crawl control you're really gullible. Anybody can get a car stuck on flat surface and reverse out even without crawl control. The thing about electronics is they need a certain parameter to operate with, if the car was at an angle would it still engage. There are no magic buttons, just experience you can use to get yourself out of different situations.

[Zed]

@Rahimdad  haha I used to get the latest ThinkPad laptops every 2years but i managed to stop that now, wifey said similar comment along your line, "you're gullible to tech ads", "why do u need the latest & greatest, it won't improve your coding much" 😂😂😂

That's why in yesterday's drive, when I saw Asif did the exact same thing without crawl control, I'm now (more) convinced that this can be done without computers too 😁 And now I want to intentionally get stuck and "crawl manually" 😅

[Varun Mehndiratta]

Nothing can replace experience and real old school understanding of machine and it's use to achieve result....... However some AI feature really add to the experience .. As marshalls in Carnity always say - drive in D, machine at most times has better response than us... 

My belief about spending on latest tech - If in affordable range and enhances one's performance, why not? I may practice without switching on thesefeatures but would like to have them too...

 

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by varunmehndiratta

[Shehab Alawadhi]

As @Rahimdad said you don't need tech to get unstuck, having crawl control on your car is a great plus but in my opinion it reduces the learning and the fun of getting stuck (yes I think getting stuck is fun, weird 😅) most of the time you don't even need a tow when you're stuck you just have to know how your car feels in certain situations. As long as you have great gas control almost any stuck is self recoverable.

6 hours ago, varunmehndiratta said:

Nothing can replace experience and real old school understanding of machine and it's use to achieve result....... However some AI feature really add to the experience .. As marshalls in Carnity always say - drive in D, machine at most times has better response than us... 

My belief about spending on latest tech - If in affordable range and enhances one's performance, why not? I may practice without switching on thesefeatures but would like to have them too...

 

 

I agree with this however from my experience with carnity and general off roading depending on your car driving in D gives you problems. My car for example (2017 F-150) my car loves to upshift early and when I need to lower gear it doesn't downshift until I put the pedal to the floor which causes a nice soupy area behind me destroying the track. Overall I don't drive in D (car to car is different keep in mind) I drive in 2nd gear in the desert and when I need more power I downshift to 1st. Techy cars since they have super good computers inside them even if you're driving off road they will treat is as tarmac (unless the car has an off road mode) with my fathers 2011 Chevy Tahoe I drive in D in the desert because its an old car and isn't techy so the car doesn't upshift when it doesn't need to.  

[Varun Mehndiratta]

True i agree, varies for each vehicle...I drive a wrangler so electronics and smart systems are luxury (perhaps the same level as 2011 chevy you mentioned)...it's perhaps on off-road mode even on road - as someone joked about it, it has traction control just to ensure it gets clearance from agencies .... 🙂. .However within it's limited smart things, I do like the BLD and miss the front camera while going down...

Also in addition to car it depends on driver, many of us are in any case not using shift on daily basis, so to expect change to shift from D once in a week, that too in adventurous situation is perhaps a challenge... so quite a few factors. 

Reg the preference for smart things - lack of it (vis-a-vis some smart off-roaders) didn't affect my decision to buy Wrangler, however among wrangler options, I went for one with additional electronic features... So I think it's a complicated relation between Car n driver.😄..

 

 

[Shehab Alawadhi]

31 minutes ago, varunmehndiratta said:

True i agree, varies for each vehicle...I drive a wrangler so electronics and smart systems are luxury (perhaps the same level as 2011 chevy you mentioned)...it's perhaps on off-road mode even on road - as someone joked about it, it has traction control just to ensure it gets clearance from agencies .... 🙂. .However within it's limited smart things, I do like the BLD and miss the front camera while going down...

Also in addition to car it depends on driver, many of us are in any case not using shift on daily basis, so to expect change to shift from D once in a week, that too in adventurous situation is perhaps a challenge... so quite a few factors. 

Reg the preference for smart things - lack of it (vis-a-vis some smart off-roaders) didn't affect my decision to buy Wrangler, however among wrangler options, I went for one with additional electronic features... So I think it's a complicated relation between Car n driver.😄..

 

 

Totally agree, it all depends on the car and drivers relationship, another example my F-150 CANT (and i mean even in like road side dirt its that sensitive) drive off road at all without the traction control off, the sophistication level of the traction control doesn't allow it to be so. The Chevy on the other hand I didn't need to turn off traction control maybe 50% or 60% of the time. 

To be honest changing from D to manual isn't a challenge for me (yes it varies from person to person but learning how to drive not using D in the desert is so much fun, it adds to the challenge and fun of off roading also strengthens the relationship with your car), maybe its because I took the manual license and the first car I ever drove was a manual. But overall I think a person learns more on how to drive in the desert when using manual mode, and anyway after 2 or 3 drives it will come naturally.

[M.Seidam]

I like the discussion above , just I would like to emphasis few points and this is my opinion . 
while it’s good to have the tech , in my opinion I wouldn’t look for them till I learn how to operate the back up in case of tech failure. In other words knowing the secrets entails manual practice. Sticking to off-roading some situations of stuck all this tech will be of no help when all your wheels are in the air ( perfect crest ) and the only way to let these tech to operate you need to get the wheels on ground. At times the shovel is the life saving when you are in the middle of no where but also you need to know what are you doing.

second please remember that the one who invented the tech is us humans based on data of manual experience and sophisticated simulation with tons of probabilities. 

I am not against the tech at all but I am definitely with trying to understand it’s basics and this can’t be done automatically but with practice and experience . 
 

cheers 🙏🏻

[William Fernandes]

If I may add my two pennies worth to this discussion. There are pros snd cons to both approaches IMO. Circumstances dictates which approach is more of a convenience. For normal fun drive the manual approach gets my vote. Crawl control in my view is synonymous to saying “let’s off road with driverless cars’ which is no fun if we get to that stage.  Embracing new technology is great but would consider that if I have not set out for a fun drive and only after I have exhausted the skills I have tapped on manual recovery. I have a FJ Cruiser 2016 model and it is equipped with crawl control. I used it once and probably resorted to it because of my lack of experience. That was before joining the Carnity club.

[topgear]

For cyclists, I have heard a saying that, it all depends on 'time on the saddle'. The more often and longer you ride, you are familiar with your bike and able to extract all the performance that your bike can offer. 

I think the same philosophy also applies to off-roading. The more you drive, you will know how-when-what etc and deal with it accordingly with your car. From my personal experience, whenever someone on the convoy tells me to press this, do that, drive this way and that way, I am always surprised with what my car could do. I am sure the longer and more regular we drive, we will discover the capabilities and limitations of our machines.