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Here is the convoy numbering for IM drive. We will use Radio channel 4: 446.081'25 With plenty of support and awesome cars and drivers, we plan to have absolute blast. Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow morning SHARP AT 7:30 AM @Mario Cornejo @Ruan van den Heever @Mus_hus78 @Arman @JeromeFJ @Rizwanm2 @varunmehndiratta @Shaaz Sha @Ranjan Das @PaoloMaraziti @Rawad @Ashok chaturvedi @Thomas Varghese @Alain Canivet-Abikhalil Gaurav Silver Pajero Mario Cornejo Patrol SWB Ruan van den Heever Grey Wrangler, 4-door Mus_hus78 Pajero2012 Arman Grey Wrangler TJ JeromeFJ FJ Cruiser 2021 Grey Rizwanm2 White Nissan - Xterra varunmehndiratta Black Wrangler LWB Shaaz Sha Xterra Ranjan Das Grey Wrangler LWB PaoloMaraziti Toyota FJ Cruiser Rawad Nissan Y62 V8 - Blue Ashok chaturvedi Yellow FJC Thomas Varghese White XTERRA Alain Canivet-Abikhalil Silver Wrangler LWB

Drive RSVP Closed Thank you all for joining the drive, we will be at Radio Channel 3 - Frequency 446.056 Convoy Numbering @Asif Hussain @Hasan Wahlan @Mus_hus78 @Xavier Treasurer @Looper @Jeepie @Zed @Gok Krish @Karthikeyan Govindarajan @Chris Wing @Josh T. @Shaaz Sha Looking forward to see you all sharp at 7.30 AM on 2nd December

Just checked my car, cleaned air filters as that made my car choke and cough out some champions events dune , jerry cans full , oil checked , overslept yesterday so not to loose my concentration 🤪…… waiting to drive to meeting point 😎

Dear Liwa Leaders, AlexM @AlexM Vaibhav @Vaibhav Pacific @Pacific Daniel Rodas @Daniel Rodas Waqas Parvez @Waqas Parvez Some additional housekeeping for our drive. niki @Niki will be our centre forward (as he will be the most rested person on the drive Jeepie @Jeepie will sweep - a much more critical job than usual because of the fact that rerouting here or returning is so challenging Pacific @Pacific will be taking on the 2nd lead role as the next most experienced driver on the convoy. It's likely that the convoy in between will then be: @Vaibhav (3) @AlexM (4) @Daniel Rodas (6) @Waqas Parvez (7) We will decide on radio channel in the morning based on what other convoys are using. Get a good night's sleep. We will be leaving at 7.30, so don't be late. See you soon in the sand.

@Mario Cornejo since i am a certified Emergency First Responce Master trainer I think i should organise with @Gaurav and @Frederic to conduct a couple of First Aid courses within the carnity family. The Most important part of the EFR courses is the injury assessment and accident control part.

Drive RSVP closed @Sergio Big Dawg @Julian Patterson @Simon Dawood @Chaitanya D thank you once again for joining the drive. We have sweet and small convoy, i think we will manage to do yellow truck twice We will be using radio channel 1 - frequency (446.006). Convoy numbering we will do at meeting point. See you tomorrow sharp at 7.30AM

Congratulations @Hisham Masaad for reaching the Expert Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. EXPERT - Carnity Exclusivity Carnity Benefits Off-road Certification with rank and skills achieved Full access to Carnity without any paid subscription Join any drive in “Manage” tab even when drive is full Carnity Contribution Committed to drive with Carnity off-road club only Lead/Support: 3 drives or more per month at least Forum contribution to earn Carnity points Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 drives are required for Expert promotion along with mandatory attendance to leaders lead drives. (Promotion will be based on Marshal / Crew feedback.) What you'll learn Navigating with or without GPS on the fly Trip planning, safety exits and recce skills Basic firefighting and first aid techniques Basic knowledge of car and overheating issues Minimal response to vehicle breakdown and accidents Skills required Resilient, calculative and rational thinker Self-reliance, positive attitude and forward thinking Kind, selfless and considerate to other’s concerns Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS, Floor jack and jack board, tire repair kit, tool box, tie-down straps, fluids. Drive teamwork Lead Fewbie or Intermediate drive with Marshal permission Inspect vehicle for safety before the off-road drive Support Marshal to learn 1:1 Desert Driving Course Drive Joining All Levels Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

The medical kits sold in pharmacies seem complete, but I am curious if there are comments about what we usually find in them and what items could be added. Perhaps, could we get suggestions from those members who practice medicine, Drs. @Chaitanya D and @M.Seidam, or anyone else working in the healthcare sector directly or as supplier? Nothing beats prevention, safety and awareness of your surroundings, but accidents may happen: while driving, recovering a car, even whilst sitting around a bonfire, it is with these scenarios in mind that kept me wondering whether the items in a basic first aid kit are enough. Furthermore, fact is that is not just about having the "tools" but knowing how to use them, does anyone know of first aid trainings available in UAE? Thanks in advance!

Well at first glance I read it Pocarnity sweat 😅 that’s for sure healthy for us 🤪

Hi @Shaaz Sha Could you please wait list me? it would be my first drive.

I'm in the next day's drive after this, but looking at the Convoy List and the excitement, awaiting full trip report & stories from the First Reconnaissance IM team 👍

While we have been enjoying night drives in this hot summer, it is important we are well aware as to what needs to be done in case of a creeper bite in the dark. Desert is their home and we are the "invaders" , and hence instinctively they can bite us in self defense. Scorpions and snakes are more active at night and hence it is required you know what needs to be done when this can occur SNAKES: a quick pictorial review of snakes which can be found in UAE. Snakes can be venomous (Poisonous) and non venomous(Non poisonous) Non venomous 1. Blind Snake Non venomous 2. Thread Snake Non venomous 3. Sand Boa Non venomous 4. Wadi Racer Non venomous 5. False Cobra Non venomous 6. Sand racer - Hissing snake Non venomous Venomous Snakes - Poisonous - the Triangular faced Vipers are dangerous which are the only poisonous snakes found in UAE 1. Saw Scaled Viper - Poisonous 2. Sand Viper - Poisonous 3. False Horned Viper -Poisonous Vipers are the only venomous snakes in the UAE, and are found mostly in desert and rocky mountain areas. Snake bites are extremely rare, and most occur when a snake is picked up/ felt it is in danger. The Venom from UAE Vipers is Haemotoxic (destroys blood cells) Sometimes puncture wounds can be seen at site of the bite. Bite is generally not very painful but within one hour copious bleeding is likely from the bite wound and any other wounds cuts or scratches the victim may have. Symptoms include a severe headache, nausea and vomiting. It’s helpful to restrict the blood and lymphatic flow, but it’s important not to cause bruising which can lead to bleeding under the skin. If Venom is spat in to a person’s eyes use any liquid available, preferably a neutral one such as water or milk – but anything at all will do, to flush out the eye. Do's and Don'ts of Treating Snake Bite Symptoms usually manifest soon after a snake bite, so observing the victim is extremely important. If no symptoms have occurred within half an hour of the bite then indications would be that it was not a venomous snake, it failed to inject any venom or the snake was very old and had little or no venom left. Do Try to identify the snake; color, size, shape of head, attacking method are useful. Take a picture with mobile if feasible but don't chase the snake. Loosen the Victim’s clothing and move them in to comfort. Keep the victim calm and still; movement will increase blood flow and transport the venom to the heart much faster. Immobilize the limb but do NOT restrict blood flow unless you are certain the bite was from a snake that delivers neurotoxic venom. Clean and dress the wound being careful not to apply pressure and cause bruising. Inform the trip lead/support IMMEDIATELY so that he/she can manage a exit quickly to the tarmac. Do Not While there can be differences of opinion as to what we should do for snake bites the consensus of opinion as to what not to do is reasonably consistent: Allow the victim to exercise or stress themselves. Cut the bite or attempt to suck the venom out. Give the victim anything to eat or drink especially alcohol. Use potassium permanganate crystals or solution near or on the bite wound. Use soapy water round the bite wound. Leave pressure bandages on too long. Leave the victim alone. Apply ice to the wound. Soak the affected limb in any solutions. How to avoid this extremely rare occurrence in the desert on Night drives 1. Compulsorily wear thicker full pants and ankle boots. Least being a full covered shoes. Coming in shorts and flip flops/slippers means you are voluntarily increasing the risk 2. Refrain from walking in bushy areas . 3. In a unusual scenario of shovelling near bushes make sure you have a clearly lit area to make sure there aren't any . 4. Please use a bright torch and look where you step while taking biobreaks! Do not take biobreaks near bushes. Safer you stay inside your vehicle at all times , unless needed. SCORPIONS: Scorpion stings are painful but rarely life-threatening. There are about 25 species of scorpion in the UAE, two of which are known to release venom that can lead to nausea, shock and irregular heartbeat. 1. Fat Tailed Scorpion - large and Black 2. Deathstalker - Smaller (about 5 cm) and Yellow in color - More Dangerous Signs and symptoms at the site of a scorpion sting may include: Pain, which can be intense Numbness and tingling Slight swelling Warmth What to Do in case of a bite Identify if possible , or take a picture Announce immediately for quicker exit How to avoid this occurrence in the desert on Night drives 1. Compulsorily wear thicker full pants and ankle boots. Least being a full covered shoes. Coming in shorts and flip flops/slippers means you are voluntarily increasing the risk 2. Refrain from walking in bushy areas . 3. In a unusual scenario of shovelling near bushes make sure you have a clearly lit area to make sure there aren't any . 4. Please use a bright torch and look where you step while taking biobreaks! Do not take biobreaks near bushes . Safer you stay inside your vehicle at all times , unless needed.

Apparently the diesel is an unpleasent smell and those animals tend to stay away, but I don't know how effective it is. An if there are alternatives I'd rather go with another method

Congratulations @Hisham Masaad now wroom wroom on high speed.

Congratulations @Tom V

Congratulations @Stav

Congratulations @MMansoo

Heartiest congratulations @MMansoor. Enjoy the new level

@Shaaz Sha can you waitlist me please. First Drive.

Congratulations @MMansoor, from your very first drives with @Carnityyou have consistently shown passion, commitment and hunger to learn, which is now being rewarded by a well deserved promotion. Way to go to you and your beast!

congrats @Stav

congrats @kiranshinde

congrats @MMansoor

congrats 👍

Hi @Mario Cornejo, I have been through there. Mostly, I am not afraid to take on challenges, with a bit of common sense, preparation and a lot of calm demeanor most situations can be solved. But for this crossing I would not recommend you take along a nervous driver or one with no previous experience. The drive kept me humble. Wednesday's Yellow truck drive will be challenging but in my opinion, not even comparable to the Liwa crossing route. The Liwa crossing route has enormous dunes, from start to finish. Typical powder-like Liwa sand and will challenge you. And yes, once you enter, you either exit at the entry or the end point. Going South will take you to Saudi, trying to exit North will be just as far as pushing through with the added difficulty if driving against the slip faces of dunes. That being said, if you want to experience the absolute beauty of the desert, barren nature at it's best you have to take on this drive. Just remember to organize two or three vehicles to join you......you have my number if you ever have a spot to fill. I will gladly do it again 😆😆 Oh and lastly, I would recommend doing the drive over two days and not one. It is way to breathtakingly beautiful to cross in a single day. I stand to be corrected on this opinion. Btw....at the time I did the route I had not been introduced to Giaia. 😪 But I did create a track with waypoints and coordinates.

Congratulations and well [email protected] you on a drive soon!!

@Chaitanya D - thank you, every advice and suggestion counts! Your comment about glucose reminded me of an item I always carry, especially during summer: electrolytes for rehydration.

Thanks @Mario Cornejo for bringing up this topic .Generally for cuts and injuries , most kits have the materials needed i woukd definitely advise to keep few tablets of antacids - nexium or pantop and anti motion sickness (Dramamine) meds. Along with some glucose or sugar especially if you are diabetic. Having said that paramedics (especially with the ambulance) generally have much better knowledge than me as I am a practicing surgeon (exclusive for hand and microsurgery) who sees patients well after they have been stabilized.

Congratulations @MMansoor! Enjoy the new level

Well deserved @MMansoor, enjoy the new level 👍🏼

Bumping this thread with an update. It took me quite a while but I finally bought a 4x4!! Settled on a 2014 3.5l LWB Pajero. Managed to get one for under 30K AED. Thanks @Gauravand @Mario Cornejo for your advice above! Went for a light bit of offroading this weekend near Masafi which was great fun. Hopefully will join you guys on a proper drive soon

Dear Hisham @Hisham Masaad hearty congratulations brother . You are already there . Your smooth personality , generosity and welling to steer this passion so gentle with persistence and precision is so inspiring to your fans and Carnity offroad club . 🎉👍✌️

@Looper @Josh T. @Gok Krish @Karthikeyan Govindarajan @Zed @Chris Wing @Xavier Treasurer @Hasan Wahlan @Mus_hus78 Welcome to the Carnity Annual Liwa Expedition. Few key pointers (MUST READ) Every car should have 100 liters of fuel in the fuel tank or with additional jerry cans. If you show up at the meeting point and looking for a fuel station, that means you've missed the initial post to read and will also miss this drive, as we won't hold the convoy for 30-45 minutes. This is an Fewbie Plus level drive so expect a fast-paced and action-oriented drive filled with adrenal pumping fun. So make sure everything in your car - boot and passenger seat is secured, fastened, or strapped. Get enough sleep in advance, to stay focused especially after 3-4 hours of drive. Lighter car is better for this level drive No early exit for 1 car. So be yourself fully ready for an 8+ hour drive and also make sure your passenger understands that in this route there is no early exit. DRIVE PREPARATION To ensure that everyone has a fun and safe Liwa trip it's important that you go through the below checklist : 1. Please ensure that you are there at the meeting point at 7:30 AM sharp. Latecomers would be sent back. 2. Firstly, get lots and lots of rest the previous day. The more the better as Liwa will not only challenge your vehicle but your mind as well. We would need your complete focus and fatigue due to less rest is the last thing that is needed on such a terrain. For those who prefer camping the previous night, you can do so at the starting point as it's a nice spaced-out area. Bring some firewood in case if you wish to have a bonfire to keep you warm. Cleaning up after the bonfire is mandatory. 3. Ensure that your 4x4 is well serviced recently and all the lubes and fluids are topped up. 4. 20 Liter / 40-liter fuel jerry can is needed depending on your vehicle. If you have any doubts, please post your query on the drive post and we will assist. 5. A full fuel tank at the meeting point. 6. Spare tire should be in good working condition. If not been used recently, ensure that you take it out and check the condition properly. Also, ensure that you have the wrench that can be used to remove your tire (if needed). In the past, we have seen that people upgrade their tires but still keep the original wrench which is of no use to remove the upgraded tire. So please ensure that your car has the right tool to remove your car tires (if needed). 7. Bring along your breakfast, lunch, snacks, etc in easy-to-eat packing. We shall be having breaks in between the drive. 8. Dry food, energy bar, cookies, nuts, crisp to munch while driving. 9. Bring garbage bags along to carry your trash. Littering in the desert is strictly prohibited. Keep checking this list, as it might grow further in the coming days. All the above points are Mandatory and your participation on the drive would be refused on the drive day by the trip lead if you fail to comply with the above. Special welcome thank to my manage team for joining my drive. @Shaaz Sha @Jeepie See you all in sand

Congratulations @Tom V for reaching the Fewbie Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 5 Newbie drives are required within last 3 months for Fewbie promotion. What you'll learn Basic dune and sand reading Self-recovery techniques Shoveling at right place Crawling out of difficult situations Blip Blip - Coordinate steering and gas control Basic side sloping and hill climb Basic ridge riding and criss crossing Basic control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving Ability to manage stuck/refusals with radio Learn to control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Presence of mind and attention to detail Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie and Fewbie drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

I don’t know how safe but circling the camp site with a circle ⭕️ of diesel can help prevent creatures from crossing over . The question is what if they cross from under the circle ?! Common frequent camping sites usually don’t experience presence of deadly creatures as they tend to stay away from ppl and their bonfire 🔥

I've recently read a few stories on the net of people that encountered spiders, snakes, and scorpions during their camping trips. Even a British expat that got stung in 2013 by a black scorpion: https://www.thenational.ae/business/travel-and-tourism/british-expat-in-uae-warns-campers-after-scorpion-sting-left-him-in-a-coma-1.477595 When i go camping with friends and family, we always keep a close watch on our surroundings. A few months back i was in Al Qudra late in the evening and was surprised to see a humongous creature which to this day i am not fully sure if it was a big camelspider or desert scorpion. It was easily 15 cm long and pretty fat. I quickly walked back to the car and did not return on my steps What are your experiences, stories, and hints that we can take along on our next trips ? - UV Lights ? - Boots ? - How to train children to avoid lifting stones and searching in crevices or rocks. TIA

Hi @Stav, congratulations.

Congratulations @Stav

Congratulations @Hisham Masaad

congrats @Anoop Nair

Congratulations @kiranshinde!

Congratulations @Faisal Alhashimi 👏🏼

Congratulations @kiranshinde, well done 👏🏼

@Hisham Masaad Congratulations 🤩

Congratulations @Tom V enjoy the new level 👍🏼

@Hisham Masaadcongrats👏👏👏

Congratulations @Tom V👍

Thank you @Melenany for your reply. A first aid course would be a great addition to the skills learnt in our journey with @Carnity.

Dear Day Two Liwa Wanderers Alexanderrr @Alexanderrr Richard Franks @Richard Franks andy_macdxb @andy_macdxb Damien Ranjit @Damien Ranjit Michel Van Woudenberg @Michel Van Woudenberg Alphin Aloor @Alphin Aloor ShereenMK @ShereenMK PaoloMaraziti @PaoloMaraziti Thomas Varghese @Thomas Varghese Welcome to the drive - you all made it this far. To make sure you make it to the start line, please do read carefully the post above. We will be checking all cars before we leave. Once into Liwa, there is no easy way out like on our normal Friday morning drives. So, please, come prepared. It's a long way back to anywhere if you find that you cannot drive once you are at the start line. As I am driving the Fewbie drive on Wednesday, this will be my 2nd Liwa lead and I hope to use some of the learning from day one into day two. But let's not kid ourselves. For a first time driver in Liwa, this place is immense. The size and scale of the dunes is massive. Descents off the top of a crest can be 100meters and more - which means that there is no way back as a reroute so we need to be sure everyone is driving with care and concentration throughout: especially me! We will not, however, be driving at breakneck speed and trying to claim every dune - but making sure we enjoy the majesty and grandeur of this place. Even with the great support we have on the drive in @Alain Canivet-Abikhalil we will need to be looking out for each other and being prepared to get involved, or not, when required. I'll cover that in more detail once we are all in place at the start of the drive, and set the convoy numbering at that time in case someone does not make it for what ever reason. For those of you pondering, should I camp the night before or drive up in the morning? Let me put is this way ... If you think that you will be a great team member to the other drivers in your convoy having got up in the middle of the night, driven hundreds of kilometers before arriving at the start of the drive and then started a 10 hour drive in the heat of the desert, before you even think about driving hundreds of kilometers home, then feel free to do what you think is right. One question, just in terms of preparation: Please let me know if any of you has a winch. That just helps us in deciding where the convoy positions could be. Other than that, look forward to seeing you all on Thursday, bright eyed, and bushy tailed. See you soon in the sand.