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Hi everyone I increased the RSVP and we are going to split into 2 convoys for this drive. I am going to lead one and @Wrangeld is going to lead the other one.

A little late in the day for a post but better than never. It was long time since I drove here and was my first drive under the stewardship of @Hisham Masaad. This area is a spaghetti of tracks - you would be hard pressed to see even a single square foot of land which has not been used and abused and the fun is in navigating them masterfully. The specific characteristics of the Big Red area which are for our enjoyment are: Those medium sized dunes between camel rock and Big Red - it is fun navigating them at high speed non-stop You get to use your manual gear here - the automatic would not work all the time - especially on those tall dunes. And finally of Couse the Big Red and Camel Rock themselves. In this drive we did everything and more. and a big thanks to @Hisham Masaad to lead us on a wonderful trip round the area. All were present ahead of time and ready to go and we hardly had anything that can even be called refusals. Everyone gave their top performance and drove masterfully. Few observations - In the desert one needs to have a good distance between cars - which means you not only not drive too close to the car in front but also not too far away. I noticed a few were driving a bit too far from the car in front. Please be mindful that you might not only lose track of the convoy also in certain cases it can be troublesome because you will miss how a specific dune needs to be tackled. There are hundreds of permutations and combinations that affect a climb up the dune or navigate in the sand. There is a element of chance that everything falls into a perfect place, and you achieve great heights and often silliest of things go wrong and you don't. All I have to say here is don't worry - you will come here many more times - do it many more times as well. As you drive more and more you will learn to manage all those tiny permutations and combinations that can go wrong and achieve it - just give some more time. Thank you @Thomas Varghese for your services at the rear end of the convoy and ensuring the flock is moving. Also, a big thank you to all present @Joji varghese, @Junaid120120, @topgear, @Rsjiv Samuel, @Davie Chase, @Sunil Mathew, @Chris Wing and @Daniel Yang see you all in a new drive very soon.

This is what I would do as a personal choice : 1. As Sree, suggested I would remove the back seats to reduce the weight in the car 2. I will not carry much firewood for the overnight camping 3. Food would be kept to what is needed for you and your passenger (if coming along). I generally prefer ready to eat food or some rolls, etc for such a trip rather than a barbeque (but that again is my personal choice mainly because I am a vegetarian). I have seen in the past people bringing a lot of stuff like foldable tables, huge vessels to cook food, etc - these are things that I would definitely avoid. 4. Check all the stuff in your boot and screen what is actually needed for this trip. Having said that I would not compromise on any kind of repair kit, recovery gear, extra fluids, etc. that would be needed in the case of an emergency. 5. Regarding Fuel, I would carry only what has been mentioned on the drive post. Also, to conserve fuel during the drive I would keep turning off my car when we are not moving. 6. In my car, I tend to carry a lot of stuff like brackets for mounting LED bars, bump stops, engine oil filter, extra air compressors. These are things that I would be removing for the Liwa trip. Like I mentioned in the beginning these are just my personal choices, but everyone needs to evaluate what is comfortable for them.

After reading your bare essentials I think I will wear my shorts 🩳 instead of jeans 👖 as that will reduce some grams off my 3.8 pajero 😎…..just kidding will take what is required by my car ….. thinking of the drive my tummy is rumbling 😅

Sweet! And yes of course. Strapped in so tight they can only move their eyes. Now I just have to convince my wife it's ok

You are added to my drive on Saturday, please sign out for this one.

Dear @Humayun Ghiasyou and your family are welcome. However, since it FB+ drive, and depend on your family, hope they will not be disturbed, which will make you disturbed, and loose attention to the drive, causing usual refusal, stucks, and missing tracks. Hope all will enjoy Good morning @Gregory, being weekday drive, we usually make it 3 hours. Will try to stick to the program. See you in sand. BTW, I am working as well 😀, will go office afternoon.

Hi @Taimur Khan Thank you for the intro and welcome to Carnity offroad club. The desert 🌵 has two faces certainly not the worst as long as we respect it’s strong Mother Nature mood and just glide along with it and never against it. In day one I broke my JGC radiator in a nose dive , however the “ desert bug “ sting effect was stronger than just to let go and here we go after 1.5 years in this lovely community every week we bounce on rubber almost “ropeless” Safety is all what we seek in any drive level we lead or support . in this forum you will find a plenty of materials to read which I recommend every one to do from time to time which I found extremely useful in this new world . best time drive safe . cheers Mohamed

@Taimur Khan I disagree with the title. 60 is not the new forty. Ask our veteran @Ashok chaturvedi or me. I'm not 60 but nearing to it. I feel I'm a teen at 18 when driving through the sand.

Hey Simon, I wrote post on prado here. Some links that might be helpful as you explore different tyre sizes, wheels and and wheel offsets. my initial thoughts are switching to 17s will give you better options on tyre choice and higher sidewalls. Switching to 17 off-road rim will likely give you a wider stance with 0 offset rims. Quick check on 2015 pajero is et46. So zero offset rims would move each wheel outwards by 46mm

1. The G012 is obsolete from what i've seen. The G015 is now the usual model. Both are A/T tyres. 2. On your Pajero 3.8, you will not be able to go below 17inch due to the front disc brakes. Cheapest option is to keep the original rims and get 18inch Yokohamas, better option is to swap the rims for 17inch (mitsubishi or aftermarket) and go for Yokohama with bigger sidewall as it will have less chance of pop-outs. 3. If you have already a lift kit, yes it would make sense to go for the 265/65/18 as it has more sidewall. That model of Yokohama might be bit more difficult to find. You can do simulations on https://tiresize.com/comparison/

General Info This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to go through the below information and strictly follow these guidelines in order not to jeopardize someone's health, and to ensure we can keep organizing these drives safely. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions Mandatory Safety Requirements Ban from Carnity Off-road Club Two Way Radio Guidelines Drive Details Level: Newbie and above When: 19 February 2022, Saturday. Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/LoWU3P3n1Ekv3QMi9 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 11:00 PM P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE Limited to 12 cars only. RSVP will close on Thursday 2 pm. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list. Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

Hi Guys, Till this moment i am using my HT goodyear tires, but i think i have reached to a level that i need to give my car engine a little bit of support and grip. so, i am planning to change my tires to Geolander A/T tires but i have the following questions in my mind: 1. should i go with G015 or G012 as both of them are A/T tires ? 2. my current car rims are 18 inch, should i invest in smaller rims( 15" or 16") or 18 is ok. 3. i already have 3inch lift kit , if i decide to keep the 18inch rims should i go to higher tires (265/65/R18) or is it not recommended ( my current tire size is 265/60R 18 ) . thanks in advance

As @Vanessa8580 says, I will lead a drive on Saturday morning. Looking forward to this, as I have been out of Carnity action for a few weeks. @Juzer Gandhi hope to live up to expectations.

@Vanessa8580 🙂 soooooooo many enthusiast for one drive.........great 👍. Looking forward to another great drive with you.

@Islam Soliman happy to join if you need any additional support

Hi @Vanessa8580, Something came up on the weekend and unfortunately i will have to leave the trip, although i was so looking forward to this Trip. I will leave my place to another lucky member

@Simon Dawood I also have a Pajero LWB 2011. I changed to Yoko AT GO15's (from HT's) last year, and am extremely happy with them - 265/60 R18's. Should have done it sooner. Great even onroad, with a minimum of road noise, and only then, after 110km p/hr. Manufactured in Thailand, Japanese ones not available anymore in the market from what I understood. I don't have any lift on my Pajero, so some type of limit there. Will defer to @Frederic 's advice and comments. Some in the group have asked me if I've had any issues with the 18inches - none so far. After 34 drives, only one pop-out. I don't ever go lower than 12PSI though. As @Frederic has mentioned, supply was an issue (with the 18inch) Yokos when I bought them, although did manage to find them at the Yokohama showroom/agency (others had one or two; I was looking for five including the spare) in Al Khabaisi, behind the car showrooms (close to DXB airport). They had literally been manufactured 2 months before my purchase. Hope this helps...

Oh Great, So we have the desert boss too @ @Wrangeld Yipee!

Hi everyone.. good news! thanks to @Vanessa8580 volunteering to lead a second convoy we are able to double the RSVP and extend it to accommodate a big part of the WL. So pls check the RSVP now and let us know if you have any changes in ur plan so we can take up others from the WL.. thanks @Vanessa8580 ea all

Oh alright, in that case would it be possible to RSVP on the saturday instead, I was under the impression that this drive was on Saturday.

It’s on Sunday

Hi there, is the event on saturday or sunday?

With such a long waiting list and massive field surprised but excited to have made it in. Looking forward to it.

@Islam SolimanJust to confirm this drive is on the morning of Sunday, 20th February and NOT Saturday, yes? Never mind, got confused by the drive details saying 20th Feb, Saturday 😅

Suggestion: remove the car seats at second row and third row to keep it more lighter..

A bit late in the day for my thoughts on the drive but, nevertheless. It was my second newbie drive with @Islam Soliman but first one driving myself. As usual we started with an elaborate briefing by the lead and wonderful weather to drive that day. Margham area presents a unique landscape where one hone their off-road skills and boy we did practice a lot. While off-roading you not only get to know your car, but the car gets to know you. It's not just poetic to say so - because it is a fact. You learn to what extent you can push it and how to push it. You know how it behaves in certain situations and manages it. Similarly, your car learns from you what you expect and gradually both the car and the driver become one. There were some refusals along the way, but they were good refusals in my opinion. Better to get stuck while going slow to cross a dune than to go fast and fly off the other side. Because it is safer to gradually increase the speed than to be at high speed and get into trouble and then try to reduce it. First of all, a big thanks to @Islam Soliman for a great fun drive. @Suresh K you did well as the second lead and @Sharat Nambiar as the sweep. It was great to drive with you @Haitham Khattab, @Serhat Yalcinkaya, @Krishna R, @Mahmoud Taha, @karim hamandi, @Awais Zuberi and @Yesu Yarlagadda (also congratulations are in order on your promotion). See you all soon in another drive.

Hi @Hisham Masaad, confirmed and very much looking forward to it.

HI @Hisham Masaad, confirmed.

Good morning dear friends. As we are reaching the weekend, below is the status of attendees and waitlisted names. As you can see we have a long of waitlisted drivers would like to join the drive. Appreciate all to consider and confirm his participation , not have disappointed drives. Attendees Joseph Raju @Joseph Raju Waqar Sarwar @Waqar Sarwar Tom B @Tom B Patrick van der Loo @Patrick van der Loo Gertjan @Gertjan eldose baby @eldose baby Bruno Finel @Bruno Finel Belal Aldaour @Belal Aldaour Yesu Yarlagadda @Yesu Yarlagadda Markus B @Markus B Waitlisted Attendees ASAD. @ASAD. second drive Manoj Soman @Manoj Soman second drive FARAZ MOHAMMED @FARAZ MOHAMMED second drive Rasif ABDUL RAHIM @Rasif ABDUL RAHIM second drive Shahid Mehmood @Shahid Mehmood first drive Daniel Yang @Daniel Yang first drive Tareq Al Turq @Tareq Al Turq first drive Prakash Anoop @Prakash Anoop first drive Dear @Mohammed Sirajuddin Being NB level, I am afraid you can not join this FB drive. Look forward to see you soon in sand in higher level drives. Please remove your name from the WL RSVP.

Congratulations @Michel Van Woudenberg and Well Done 👍

Hi @Islam Soliman . I am really looking forward to this. I heard Al Lisaili has great dunes.

Welcome Taimur. I hope to see you on the drives soon.

I removed myself from the evening drive anyway, better to give the opportunity to someone else.

Congrats @Michel Van Woudenberg - truly deserved!

Congratulations @Michel Van Woudenberg

Hi Islam, I actually prefer to be on this drive and I only reserved on the night drive because this one was fully booked by the time I got around to it. I am happy to remove my RSVP from the night drive if it gives me a better chance here, knowing full well that I might lose both if I don't get picked up from the WL here. Is there a swap system or any other way to accomplish this better? I am willing to even participate in management if you think I can. Many thanks. Beide

Congratulations @Michel Van Woudenberg

General Info This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to go through the below information and strictly follow these guidelines in order not to jeopardize someone's health, and to ensure we can keep organizing these drives safely. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions Mandatory Safety Requirements Ban from Carnity Off-road Club Two Way Radio Guidelines Drive Details Level: Newbie and above When: 20 February 2022, Sunday Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: Lisaili Fort https://goo.gl/maps/ZikRWU1YYas968yT9 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 11:00 PM P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE Limited to 12 cars only. RSVP will close on Thursday 2 pm. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list. Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

confirmed

Hi @Hisham Masaadlooking forward to the drive. My family is visiting and so will bring them along as well.

It will be going to great to see you both again

congratulations @Michel Van Woudenberg

@Islam Solimanthanks a lot to organize the drive. It was a wonderful opportunity to drive as SL to observe the leaders maneuvers closely and learn. I enjoyed all the slide slopes & self-recovery tips. Thanks @Looperfor all the support. Looking forward more drives with the team

Good stuff @Michel Van Woudenberg, congrats 👏🏼

Congratulations, @Michel Van Woudenberg, keep enjoying !

Congrats @Michel Van Woudenberg! Enjoy the new rides!

Hello Team, An amazing drive made even better by all my fellow riders. Thank you @Islam Solimanfor organizing this drive. The lead and the paths were awesome. Your continuous appreciation for all drivers after completing a sweep or dune crossing is commendable. This is my 3rd drive and I felt I did better than my last 2 drives even though i had to be tugged out a couple of times. But I can tell you that my stucks in the previous drives were more preventable. In this drive, I learnt to control my car without giving much gas and just using momentum even though i got stuck because of it, but I learnt a lot about how much power i need depending on the nature of the sand. I am getting there slowly but steadily @Islam Solimanyour inputs on handling and controlling a heavy car in the dunes was very beneficial and boosted my confidence in doing side sweeps. A much deserved shoutout to @Looper, You were amazing man, in your yellow jeep. Very quick and agile in going to refusals and stucks and your guidance to self recover. Thank you for your tips during the break. Within a short time into the drive, you identified that I wasn't gassing my car properly and your advice helped me complete the drive without any major stalls. Also, @OwaisGreat job with the silverado. I was expecting more stucks/refusals from you you disappointed me man, with your excellent driving skills. Same with the white xterra. you guys proved that the driver is more important than having a powerful engine or a SWB. Both @Islam Solimanand @Looper's radio instructions were on point and clear. A thank you to both of you once again for fixing my pop-out at the last minute of the drive. your commitment to ensure that the last car reaches the tarmac before you guys leave is admirable. Looking forward for many drives with you guys in the future. Overall, it was a fun filled drive and quite honest, I had a feeling that we ended the drive too early (even though we left the sands at 11 am), I was in the mood for more. Probably, I should check a full day drive next time P.S. Also, I would like to know the drivers tips and inputs on what maintenance might be needed after completing a drive, if any. for eg, after the drive, the steering in my car was vibrating a lot and was very tight especially when turning at high speeds. Got a full body wash done and took it to tyre shop to check for alignment - was OK. I was scared that i broke by suspension or something major. Garage guy checked the power steering fluid and it was low. topped up the fluid and the steering was smooth as before. Still need to check if there was a leak. Cant be the case as I changed the hoses and the entire power steering setup a couple of weeks ago.