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Good morning all ! I hope you are all looking forward to this drive. The plan is to explore an area which is not often visited by offroaders, and i hope that means we can find some nice virgin dunes. @Stumpy Paj@DanielN@Hugo@[email protected]@Imran Asghar@Dinesh Kumar A@Andrei S@Pieter Potgieter@Ashutosh Garg@Amr Aydin@Vanessa8580 I have appointed each of you a totem animal that will keep you safe on the drive. We will be using Channel 2 - 446.031 Mhz. Please make sure to bring your offroad gears as per your level. If there are any changes in the convoy list or dropouts, we will alter the convoy setup if needed the same morning. See you all soon !

Good Morning Sailors Few more hours of slogging and we will in weekend. For me somehow these few hours are going to be a bit longer - have some work commitment till late in eve, so thought of posting details before I get engrossed again with the grind. Channel : 4 Meeting time : 6am Convoy Order : Varun @Krishna R @Ishak @Patrick van der Loo @Mahmoud Taha @Tharun Kumar V @Benjamin @Joseph Raju See you all tomo. Have fun Friday.

@MarkB@Bashar Beasha @Stan @Parliament @Jad Moussalli @Gary F @george charbel @Jonny90 @Rk ram @Brette Sorry I forgot to add that the radio Channel we will use for tomorrow will be Channel 2 Please also note the Mandatory off-road gear for this drive is as follows: Tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, compressor, walkie-talkie radio, off-road flag, shovel, first-aid kit and fire extinguisher. Thanks again and looking forward to seeing you all in the morning

@MarkB@Bashar Beasha @Stan @Parliament @Jad Moussalli @Gary F @george charbel @Jonny90 @Rk ram @Brette Team, please convoy order for tomorrows drive looking forward to driving with you all tomorrow.

Dear Desert Drivers, For tomorrow we have a strong group of experienced drivers, weather conditions still enjoyable, and a vast area with a lot of possibilities to explore. So perfect conditions for a nice morning drive. @Ashutosh Garg @Joji varghese @Anoop Nair @Ignacio Quindós @Rajiv Sam @Sam K @Imran Kashif @Chris Wing @Ranjan Das I will issue the convoy order by the end of the afternoon. Just let me know before that in case you changed you plans. For those who could not do it before, use this time to program your radio with the 10 Carnity channels. It will take you 20 min max, and then you don't have to worry about it anymore. Two Way Radio Guideline

@Joji varghese @Ashutosh Garg @Rajiv Sam @Sam K @Imran Kashif @Chris Wing @Ranjan Das Last updates for tomorrow. Meeting at 06:15 am at https://goo.gl/maps/xJ4Nzi7tNNkxNWXE7 For the convoy order, I kept it simple, the Xs, the FJs, and the remaining Jeep We will use Carnity Radio Channel 4. Enjoy the evening, have a good sleep, and see you tomorrow morning !

Drop them off in Al Wathba and drive through the desert.. Nahel is not that far 😁

Great idea with animals!

New update: After a long gap of 3 months of not off-roading with Carnity or a change of vehicle, you should join at least one lower-level drive, before resuming at your existing level.

@GauravSoni@LooperThis fewbie drive is an important one for me, as I see it as a test. I have been struggling with self confidence which reflected in my driving and my personal life. We all have such up and downs in our lives, I got my car, tyres and suspension checked by my garage. Since then my self confidence and driving improved. My flag pole fell off numerous times and got a new one fixed in the last weeks. I want to use this opportunity if I am ready for fewbie plus. I am hoping for a fabulous #GauravSoni drive where I know you will be pushing us!!! See you on Saturday morning!

Dear dune surfers!! it’s a short convoy and m hoping to cover a lot of ground experiencing every type of dune along the way!! @premindra rajaram @Gurcharan Mehta @Juan R @Richard Franks @Looper the sunrise these days is around 6.15 am.. let’s target to be deflated and flag up ready to leave by 6.30 am!! see you all tomorrow!!!

Sorry to miss you, see you next time!

I feel the vibe @premindra rajaram! And happy to see you look at things on the “plus” side! Well done.. we are sure to have a lot of fun with a short convoy!!! See you on Saturday !!!

It's a good and safe practice to join a lower-level drive after a big gap and it's even more advisable when you have a change of vehicle too. As you have had 1 FB plus in Sep 2022, that's why Varun took this call, if it was 5-6 FB+ then it would have been passable but with caution.

what kind of drama will happen makes me both nervous and curious 🤔. Can't wait till Saturday comes 😃

Dear Sand Sailors After more than 6 months, High Speed Drama series is back again to where it all started - Tawi Nazwa. Most of us have already been to Tawi Nazwa, clicked some nice pics on top of Pink Rock and had fun rolling through nice bowls that this area offers. It was all good for NB and FB drives. With this drive, we will take adventure to another level by adding lot more gas and thrill to this route well travelled. And to add to the drama, we aspire to climb all the way to the top of Big Red and have some fun around the place (ofcourse while ensuring Safety as our top priority). So get ready to make your engine roar and fulfil our Need For Speed. DRIVE DETAILS Level: Fewbie Plus and above When: 1st April'23, Saturday Meeting time: 6:00 AM - Sharp (Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/DoxKyeDK91NFEGyy9 Approximate finish time: 10:30AM Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Mandatory off-road gears: Tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, compressor, walkie-talkie radio, off-road flag, shovel, first-aid kit and fire extinguisher. MUST READ AND COMPLY Offroad Flag Guideline Two Way Radio Guideline Off road Driving Etiquette's Emergency details for all off-roaders Off Road Driving - Roles & Responsibilities LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE This drive is limited to 10 cars only. If the RSVP is full, you can add your name to the waitlist, once anyone drops, you will be moved to the RSVP list. RSVP will close a day prior to preparing a convoy list. Latecomers will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Members without RSVP will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month Please RSVP on below calendar

The Carnity off-road club grading structure provides you with a clear road map for your off-road journey, recognizing offroaders based on their Capabilities, Skills and Performance. This lets you navigate your own path as you gain experience while keeping you, other drivers and your vehicle safe. Driving with graded routes maximizes the fun for everyone without causing any delays or pushing yourself or your vehicle beyond limits. With an aim of continuous improvement, we have clarified, improved and developed this new grading structure version 3.0. Club Member Subscribe to off-road enthusiast subscription. Joins the Off road Club. Introduce yourself in Absolute Newbie Drive. Share your off-road experience (if any) Share your vehicle details Share your off-road gears. Absolute Newbie Attend and successfully complete the first "Absolute Newbie" off road drive. Minimum Requirements: Any 4x4/SUV/AWD with 8 - 10 inches of ground clearance. Front and rear tow hooks (stock tow hooks/eyelet are acceptable). Tire deflator, tire pressure gauge and air compressor. You can transfer your existing off-road experience by self-declaring on the absolute newbie drive topic, so that trip lead can access your capabilities and promote you to the respective rank. OFF-ROAD PROMOTIONS ARE BASED ON THESE FOUR MAJOR CRITERIAS. Car Worthiness 25% Weightage Mechanically able and sound to take off-road stress Better approach and departure angles with safe center of gravity Reliable and capable vehicle with better power to weight ratio Driving Skills 25% Weightage Drives safe and responsibly without damaging any vehicle Drives reasonably well at par with others in the same rank Able to modulate driving as per terrain and convoy response Teamwork 25% Weightage Help and support others as per off-road rank and capacity Being respectful, considerate and tolerant even under stress Support in recoveries and share off-road gears, when needed Tactical Skills 25% Weightage Capable to self-recover from most common off-road situations Split second decision making with an ability to retreat Ability to sense and avert from imminent dangers NEWBIE Drive Attended Desert Driving Masterclass or previous off-road experience. What you'll learn Introduction to off-roading Desert driving techniques Advance vehicle handling Precise tire deflation and inflation Use of HI/LO gearing and differential lock Basic side sloping and crossing sand dunes safely Basic self-recovery techniques Basic radio communication skills Skills required Attentive and cautious Patience and tolerance towards others Clear communication and listening skills Car Worthiness Any 4x4/SUV/AWD with 8 - 10 inches of ground clearance Front and rear tow hooks (stock tow hooks/eyelet are acceptable) Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Follow the briefing and Trip Lead instructions Follow Off road Driving Etiquette's at all times No dangerous maneuver and stunts Drive Joining Join Newbie drives only Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Update Emergency Contact Details under Carnity user profile Apply for Fewbie Promotion, once you complete a minimum of 5 Carnity Newbie Drives. FEWBIE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 5 Newbie drives are required within the last 3 months for Fewbie promotion. After a long gap of 3 months of not off-roading with Carnity or a change of vehicle, you should join at least one Newbie drive, before resuming at Fewbie level drives. What you'll learn Basic dune and sand reading Self-recovery techniques Shoveling at right place Crawling out of difficult situations Blip Blip - Coordinate steering and gas control Basic side sloping and hill climb Basic ridge riding and criss crossing Basic control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving Ability to manage stuck/refusals with radio Learn to control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Presence of mind and attention to detail Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie and Fewbie drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive Duration: 3-7 days, to gather your feedback from all trip leads. Apply for Fewbie Plus Promotion, once you complete a minimum of 10 Carnity Fewbie Drives. FEWBIE PLUS Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie drives are required within the last 6 months for Fewbie Plus promotion. After a long gap of 3 months of not off-roading with Carnity or a change of vehicle, you should join at least one Fewbie drive, before resuming at Fewbie Plus level drives. What you'll learn Advance dune and sand reading Advance recovery techniques Rocking and crawling to make path Learn to flatten/compact soft sand patch Self recovery from crest Advance side sloping and long hill climb Advance ridge riding and criss crossing Advance control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving FULLY control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Extremely attentive and focused while driving Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Bash plate and skid plate protected Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie and Fewbie Plus drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive Duration: 3-7 days, to gather your feedback from all trip leads. Apply for Intermediate Promotion, once you complete a minimum of 10 Carnity Fewbie Plus Drives. INTERMEDIATE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie Plus drives are required within last 6 months for Intermediate promotion. After a long gap of 3 months of not off-roading with Carnity or a change of vehicle, you should join at least one Fewbie Plus drive, before resuming at Intermediate level drives. What you'll learn Basic GPS and navigational skills Basic tow rope and winch recoveries Extreme side sloping and long hill climb Tall dunes ridge riding and criss crossing Precise control over technical dunes Fast pace desert driving Clear radio communication skills Advance recovery skills Self recover from dune crest Soft sand recovery Pop-out fixing Skills required Adventurous and thrill seeker but in a safe manner Level headed under stressful situations Responsible, dependable and accountable Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS. Drive teamwork Manage center forward position with Trip Lead’s permission Learn/assist recoveries under Trip Lead’s supervision Re-route convoy and coordination, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie, Fewbie Plus and Intermediate drives. Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive Duration: 3-7 days, to gather your feedback from all trip leads.

Although I was looking forward to the drive, I am unfortunately having to withdraw as the lead suggested I go to a lower level. Have a fun drive

Yes as iftar drive has no restriction some one can RSVP to any drive as first drive then can get to iftar drive back . Welcome @Imteeazits good to have you in any drive always helpful and enjoying 🙏👍

Yes, apologies. It was @jodha singh shekhawat not @Humayun Ghias (apologies Humayan)

@jodha singh shekhawat was lucky that his car didn't roll over but he found himself in this position because he disregarded the most important advice Marshals give before a drive - DON"T FIGHT GRAVITY. It was an intermediate drive and Jodha brought his new car without prior testing in the desert. My fellow off roaders please don't bring your newly acquired cars directly for higher classified drives without participating in Newbie, Fewbie drives with your new car prior to participating in Intermediate drives.

In moments like this, where was the rope secured on the Patrol?

@Wrangeld you were very courageous to go under the tipped car which was unstable and attach the tow rope to its chassis so that @Alex Raptor could slowly winch him to safety. That was when I learned from you that a slanted car with engine running blows out a lot of smoke. You gave the explanation to that and I experienced the same when my car went into a limp mode recently and in slanted position. @Shaaz Sha was worried my engine was out but I assured him its all right and Richard has explained why this happens.

Thanks for the photos @Thomas Varghese captures the moment perfectly.

Is it this 1 you were referring to @Wrangeld? It was @jodha singh shekhawat.

IF there was no roll over by that Jeep, there would have been an accident between this jeep and the front one as they where going so close, with out flag, not hearing any radio too. at 0:52 it is clearly visible.

Basic fighting gravity and fishtailing thus the roll. It is a classic how NOT to side slope. As soon as his back end starting going down he should have steered down.

My observation : obviously it’s slip side meaning to attack it proper speed needed first like FJC earlier . Second once fish tail happens immediately steer toward the fish tail with maintains RPM ( speed ) or even slightly bit higher Rev to compensate for the sand wall which at lower speed collected faster and acted as a fulcrum over which the LC momentum continued and resulted in flip . @Lakshmi Narasimhanthank you for this unusual comparative clip to see what was wrong 👍

Thank you @Gauravfor the valuable input Am wondering if there is an earlier post in Carnity that explains what to do in terms of calling the police, recovering the car, handling insurance, etc Thx

Momentum was too slow to go that high unlike FJC speed of attack (more linear). Fought gravity without momentum (BIG NO). Left gas just before the flip. Inexperience hand to not to control fishtailing in time. He kept steering full right without having enough momentum when caught up in deep soft sand patch (0:35). Even FJC before had close call, but controlled well by marginally fighting the gravity and then steering it down just in time. Attacking soft sand slip face for the second car has to be done with greater momentum as sand is already broken now. Such super soft sand sideys should be avoided for the second or third car or announce the caution so that second or third car is aware of such higher risk and factor greater use to momentum and/or exit in time. LC is far heavier and underpower than FJC to try similar sidey without factoring the car limitation. Guess: FJC has better off-road AT tires to control the fishtail precisely and LC seems on HT (road) tire.

Just saw this on tiktok and thought it is worth sharing. IMG_6473.MP4

@Rahimdad thanks for your feedback, indeed the majority of the accidents posted on this thread were mainly due to people tried to fight gravity or lack of attention and ignoring safety matters. i was trying to clarify whether the 2WD was intentionally chosen or if it was genuine human error (i.e people forgotten to switch to 4 wd) but your replies (that thank you all for your input) covered me! have to say it is very interesting topic and in theory i learnt a lot, i will try to keep all these advises in mind when i am off roading!

i think the mistake here that he tried to recover the patrol from the back side from this point of view it would be easier and much safer if he tried to pull the patrol to the other side

I agree with @Abdul Rahman Abdul Kader. Didn't want to loose momentum and show off, my car can go higher than his, not taking into account the soft sand and the fact the gravity was always going to pull him down on the other car. Lucky escape with just a minor scratch.

When not having safe distance the reaction time is reduced substantially and the LC driver found him self in a no return point . it’s better to get stuck than to crash or from the start give proper time and distance for reaction please see below I didn’t get enough distance so I couldn’t steer down earlier nor I could over take for the fear of slipping on the vehicle in front of me so I preferred to stop . In the second clip I have enough time to react and decide ( I was a sec lead ) Cheers 🌷

@Antonio Jimenez Williams, I think he was not willing to give up on his momentum/rhythm and thought he would overtake from above the car stuck in front of him... which was a risk and we are always advised by seniors @Carnity to always stop if the vehicle in front of you is facing any issue/difficulty... basically safety rule was compromised and he had to face the consequence (got away cheaply though). 😜

Thanks @Rahimdad, this is helpful to know.

Hi @AlexPol. Form a relationship with your vehicle, feel it as you learn how to drive. Let it be an extension of yourself. If you feel that your car needs harder suspensions than you are right and nobody can make a general statement on that. Harder suspensions do help with the traction on cross tracks and softer sand, but if the vehicle is your daily driver also the ride on the road is compromised.

Thanks @Rahimdad, @Gaurav and @skumar83. Very useful. Especially for off-road beginners. Does it mean that more hard suspension is more preferable for the dunes drives? Thanks.

@Mohamed Seidam, @Abdul Rahman Abdul Kader and @N@ved so proud to see you all share and learn from others mistakes. Such good lessons and such a good way of thinking. Well done boys.

@Mohamed Seidam firstly thanks for posting on this subject, really appreciate your time and effort, it helps us remind and remember the basics. In my opinion, all 3 cars took a different line of approach, didnt follow the leader's track. they were focused on the video rather than track and off-roading (don't have flags, probably no radios, hence guessing just friends out for fun). lastly dont think they had checked or kept proper tyre pressure (trye tracks for Pajero and FJC looked deeper than the first track, could be just optical illusion for me).

@Mohamed Seidam fully agree with you, Ego cannot be your passenger when off-roading (or for that matter any where in life).... I think the driver was inexperienced to take all the challenges... he had not done the Absolute newbie, newbie, fewbie... etc drives didn't have good mentors like we do at Carnity....😄 few things that i can see what should not have been done were his speed, he was travelling too fast (as captured by @Abdul Rahman Abdul Kader), he could have continued to do a sidey and turned back down, probably changed his mind mid way. At about 56-57 secs riding on the ridge he drifted to the right of the dune (our left) and then swerved back to the other side, at high speed and on downward direction reaction time was limited and was too late for him to correct anything, he should have continued down the dune on right side of the dune and towards gravity that may have saved the disaster (on the hind sight).

Over confidence after having driven for almost a minute and half. Didnt stabilise properly once on the ridge. Speed into the ridge could also have affected the overall ontrol of the vehcile.

This is the word I wanted to see ( (( ((( EGOOOOO ))) )) ) .... please please and pleaaaase ego and desert don’t match even if you are walking not driving in the desert . I like your analysis @Abdul Rahman Abdul Kader 👍

I think firstly it was the speed (which may not necessarily be the main reason), secondly as he approach the ridge and failed to get on top of it by falling on the right, he decided to fight gravity 😈(I guess his ego was hurt that he couldn't make it on top of the ridge ) and lost balance on the vehicle and Thanks to the power of this particular vehicle, he was able to jump the ridge again and fall on the other side in a very awkward way while it was in an unstable position the motion made it rollover in a very unfortunate manner.

Another one regardless of vehicle brand what has happened ? The first passed and the second got refusal hint : always remember desert means proper momentum along the right approach

Maybe not good quality video but we are trying always to analyze others mistakes to learn from it . what has happened here ? And could it be avoided ? here you go 👇

To be totally honest I don't remember that incident. And yes Discos torque which starts from very low rpms and pretty much stays level throughout the rpm band makes it a tough offtoader. Even after many years of driving it it would occasionally surprise me. Like a drive in wagan ( anothe one of those private drives ) I was following PR on his quad badger. We had to cross over a big wall of dunes and there was a little dip on top between the peaks so he chose to go through that. He went across and I went after him after completing ty climbing instead of a ridge there was a tiny but deep bowl on top between the dune peaks and I had no choice but to go into it. It's sides were steep and twice or thrice the height of my car. If I bent down I could barely see the edge from the top of my windscreen.and maybe 5 feet space in the back and front. I knew I wasn't getting out of it easily and without help but I sais what's the harm in at least trying once. So I backed up as much as I could in the tight bowl which wasn't much and then just mashed the pedal. AND LO and behold. The thing slowly like a tank on tracks climbed up the wall and over the edge to the other side. I saw the look on PRs face, his jaw firmly on the floor and then realized so was mine! Just couldnt believe what had just happened !!! Ayoubs XJ was next followed by a TJ wrangler needless to say we spent sometime trying to help those cars go through this bowl. So back on topic the most fun I've had was in nom club drives and new to me areas. Like when me Sikander bhai in his TJ and ayoub in his XJ went for a full day exploration drive from marqaub to lisaili. Hitting the small technical dunes first to get to the shade of the trees for some lunch. Then checking out the sandstone formations and then hitting the big dunes to end the drive. Or my first drive to sweihan once again with two XJs. Almost flipped on that one as I got stuck on a very high and very sharp ridge. With the ridge going from the center of the car front to back. Was ridge riding and got bogged down in soft sand. And while trying to reverse it started to tilt dangerously to one side so had to anchor it to one of the XJs on he one side and slowly crawl back. And many such drives. Yup got to agree, 8-10 drives over a span of 2 yrs is nothing.

My experience with friends always ended up with there choices to stay, bbq, live cooking, than actual drive. Hence since the beginning, I was very happy with club discipline that everyone gets together to drive and nothing else. Off course after drive we do chill, cook, bbq and relax but not during the drive. No matter how much you plan and organize with friends but one guy wants to sit back and enjoy so the whole group has to suffer. I have endless stories with guy change his mind and opted to do the photo shoot of his wife, kid and car and leaving all of us to wait for 3+ hours in the best dunes. Other time, one guy change his mind to stay overnight on one island, so I have to split and drove the rest of the way alone to keep my hotel booking during Eid holidays. As everyone mentioned, with clubs you will explore more places and learn faster due to collective experience on board and in offroad you can never learn enough. I and Rahimdad still leaning after decades of experience. The second best thing with clubs is you get to meet different nationalities and talk to them about there country offroad experience, try their cuisines, share jokes and know more about there culture that you rarely get to see with friends and families. In Carnity I guess we have over 20 different nationalities in the offroad club and I always look forward to sitting with them in the end. I rarely eat my own food, as I love trying different cuisine while listening to their own interesting and colorful stories. You will actually see how cheerful people are in offroad rather than at work culture because at work everyone is serious and busy with their routine but in offroad it's more of a vent out and relaxes for everyone so you will enjoy there jovial side more often. Thirdly in most of the offroad clubs here in UAE, safety is paramount so chances of you getting into unsafe recovery/mishap are very less, as they always have trained Marshals and Crew to take care of extreme recoveries and accidents. Looking forward to seeing your clan and don't worry about the noisy animals as Jungle is already filled with many.

@derik that's a very tricky question asked by you it's an individual choice whether you want to learn something new driving with a off road club or go to the same places with same old friends. When you drive in our club you get to know people from different nationalities and different modes of life and learn from their experiences. At carnity we are a family more than a club. As you get to know people in the club you will invite your friends too and you will be able to relate to your question and answer us with your feedback.👍