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  1. We missed you too @slick72 Apparently air-bag didn't deployed may be coz the vehicle angle was less than 90 degrees tilt (may 89.9 degree lol) due to sand or it may not be working at all. The switch for traction is very good idea if your vehicle is too irritating to not to let you spin the wheels (must for sand). In most of the Japanese and American it's not very strict as compare to UK and German cars. No idea about on switching off ABS. Switching airbags off seems to have a big trade-off to not to let them operate even when vehicle has a roll, I wouldn't choose to switch airbag off unless I am hitting super extreme drive where while cris-crossing angle may increase by 90 degree tilt (45 left + 45 right) in less than fraction of a second. Back to OP: For sharing the flip / roll info, I and rahimdad also never understood the real reason with so many offroad club we drove, but we never question to not to disrespect any club policy. While we had this small flip, we both agree to share for the sake of analyzing the situation and educating every off-roader whether they drive with us or with any other club. Understanding the risk involve is the only way to make people aware of adopting to use the best practice and drive safe and follow the convoy discipline and never underestimate the mother nature.
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  2. No vehicle was not lifted and it was purely situational accident. If any newbie would have done similar error of being too close or steer upward right when car sliding down left, then maximum he would have got stuck as fighting with gravity. Here coz of rain sand was tight and that didn't allowed vehicle to sink in and get stuck - resulting in flip. Secondly he is being too close, could be the cause of poor visibility. May be... Change of position in convoy from 3rd to 2nd was his only fully liable mistake as second lead sometimes get tricky and that's why we have placed a feewbie driver there. Everyone should respect their convoy numbers unless you have 20-30 drive experience under your belt.
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  4. Causes of this flip: Overnight rain before the drive Heavy sandstorm Poor visibility Too close to the car in front Wrong judgement to steer upward when car is already sliding down Although video is from a distance and it's not clear, but you can get a quick feel for all the above causes.
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  5. Very good point @derik after the drive on Friday Gaurav and myself started discussing on this topic with a hot cup of tea and samosa. I think @Gaurav bhai had it nailed down to the right school of thought. What do the off-road clubs offer to you as someone who wants to learn, some off-road trips and that is about it. If people come to know the number of roll-overs there are in that club than they would be deterred from joining that group. This goes deep in the core when there was only 1 parent club from which all these clubs have evolved. They never shared this information and thus the break away clubs maintained their experience and never wanted to show these kind of incidents in their club. Our next discussion was should we do it, why?, how it would help, and what will be the impact? I am sure these questions will pop into your mind also, so here goes: Yes we will discuss it. Why? We are not an off-road club, we are a car community where sharing vital information is important so that everybody gets to learn something out of this experience. It is not a platform on which we would like to name and shame people, and as human beings we all make mistakes. If we could learn from these and as seniors take the responsibility to share and educate people it is most important aspect of this activity. I hope I have answered your question and I would like to thank you for asking such and important and meaningful question.
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