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Even at low speed please Don’t Fight Gravity , even minimal steering this little momentum will flip the vehicle . Aggravating factors : breaking ( I didn’t see break light ) , position of load distribution inside . now looking carefully again I ask my self one question “ what if “ it was me in that wrangler what I would do ? Now this is a split of a second decision ... so let’s simulate : I am driving ... all attention is there .. on the ridge now .. suddenly I see a track that I need to cross it perpendicular while I am on ridge .... go not to go ... steer earlier before crossing ... no it’s too big the angle of steering suddenly down and if ok still I will meet the tracks in obliquity ! ... finally I will stuck my self on the crest better than to risk flipping . p.s : all out no seat belt how to avoid ? : not only getting unstuck is an art but getting stuck sometimes is all what is needed !! cheers and drive safe 🚙🙏🏻🌷

@Wrangeld please check above topic by Carnity I found by chance . Might help cheers 🚙🌷

Thank you a lot @Chaitanya D for posting this valuable videos .impressive and logical 👍🚙🌷 cheers and be safe

Hi @Chaitanya D great job , I read your question regarding self recovery on ridge stuck by self recovery with no shoveling , yes it’s possible and I have seen it . But I leave the detailed answer to @Gaurav as I am still learning as we all do 😊 Is the car doing the “ shoveling “ ? Diff lock ?🤔

Good plan @Abu Muhammad 😎

@Mukundan Nair did you install ABS kill switch ? regardless I agree with @Gaurav for checking . sometimes even washing can cause this if there is contact ! cheers

I have always liked the wranglers for its color variety which I agree it suites this toy desert , with respect 🤚, more than any other machine . On the other hand I wouldn’t imagine the same pumpkin for the grand Cherokee where black or white adds to its luxurious touch !

Hi @Abu Muhammad and welcome to this passionate off road community . I hope you enjoy and find all the advice you seek regarding your vehicle from much experienced and friendly leaders in here. cheers and drive safe 🌷🚙 mohamed Seidam

@Chaitanya D white with some black on it please 😊 and the Xterra has another story that it’s ain’t a secret anymore and thanks to you buddy 🙏🏻

Hi @Barry Once I had a blue car and when I sold it , I heard the comment from the buyer : umm it’s blue which is not as common as white, black, silver or grey ( anticipating what is he pointing toward: reducing of sell price abit ) , but to my surprise he said :but this color suites this vehicle and I like it. i realized that despite what market offer still people have different taste for different Items. it was sold and I got my “white “ grand Cherokee which I love 😎 cheers 🌷🚙

@topgear thank you for the videos . my observation : gentleness what is needed and mutual understanding for the driver who recovers and the recovered one in terms of time when pull/ tug is executed .when I see this and I get on crest I know and anticipate what the vehicle behind me is just about to do . Also the radio communication is loud and clear . excellent job

I know exactly how it feels pal . Every thing is for good , we can drive next Friday together ; this Friday job calls

Congratulations @Ale Vallecchi looking forward to drive with you under your lead soon.

Congratulations @Pancho drive safe more than ever 👍

Thank you @topgear every one will appreciate that so to boost our knowledge when it comes live in desert 👍

In the recovery 4th one crest recover from the other side I couldn’t see off course but what I thought was this 👇( found it in you tube by Carnity 2018 )

Dear @Gaurav Great initiative and wanted more than ever , wish to join , but I understand that the ladder is climbed step by step . however can I request gently from you and the other Passionate drivers to document this electronically as appropriate and if at all applicable. Thank you. Cheers and be safe 🚙🙏🏻

Thank you @Gaurav indeed 👍 the picture talks it all and it’s scary to imagine towing a vehicle “floating on a thread of rust “ emphasis on regular check regarding this matter is critically important . Yes @Barry the unnoticed unappreciable hidden deeper rust is the problem and in @Gaurav pictures it looks the rust long time has started !

Thank you @Gaurav and @Frederic for the valuable comments and paying attention to the smallest detail regarding any rope recovery is very important in order to avoid or minimize the risk to the minimum and if occurs God forbidden to ensure damage is almost zero.

@Frederic very informative and clear description . Thank you for the info indeed which is basic for us at entry level 👍

Dear passionate off roaders When I had my first absolute newbie couple weeks ago it was short cut by bad nose landing ( was entirely my fault and I know it ) . Thank God zero human injury and the Iron was repaired as brand new. Actually from that point the real story begins and I realized how important to see the things from different angles to analyse and to learn how to avoid various problems in the setting of off road dives .I searched the various resources online and I found what I was looking for in this respectful community. and now with all the support of all of you, especially @Gaurav who was the first who drove me to safety at the very beginning and to @Gaurav @Rahimdad and @Frederic whom I had the honour to drive under their leads where I got all support and help, I can proudly say that I got my first zero refusal/stuck after 4 drives in a row as a newbie including the absolute newbie. Special Thanks to @Chaitanya D my friend and colleague who spared no effort helping me find my current off road vehicle Xterra and all the tips along. I personally believe that off road drive has a unique learning curve climbing it requires time, patience, determination , awareness of the known common risks and problems and above all that sharing and transmitting what is available from knowledge in the scene either directly by witnessing it if possible ( situation might not allow at the scene like terrain condition , weather , and now covid19 time ) as safety comes on top of the list or indirectly by capturing pictures , clips ..etc for the stuck or refusal and how we deal with it . in carnity discussion I found about what went wrong in terms of off road accident or refusal or stuck and even wrong recovery techniques and discussion about it which is good to see mistakes of others or even own to learn and not to repeat. here I put the initiative and from our own drives how recovery either self or assisted is done by our expert leaders directly or under their direct supervision and I request every one if at all possible when we are not in motion to try take the chance to take some videos ( one hand cant clap ) from another angle so after each drive the one who didn't have the chance to see it live can at least see it here. discussion is open and I would appreciate the feedback from our leaders as always. Cheers and Drive Safe

Thank you @Rahimdad and totally agree and will be working on it soon. 👍

Hi @Sajit Modiyil don’t worry this is the art of it we fall to rise up again and stronger than ever 😉