Gaurav

Sounds interesting, let's do another pop out to test. Im always open to new ideas and this strap in center (I never heard before) sounds quiet logical to press all beads outward evenly, than just pulling from 4 sides.

I plan to camp overnight after the drive, if anyone is interested you are most welcome to join.

REDO OF NATIONAL DAY LIWA DRIVE First priority has been given to all those members who were part of the initial drive on 1 Dec. @PaoloMaraziti @Ruan van den Heever @JeromeFJ @Arman @Thomas Varghese @Rawad @Alain Canivet-Abikhalil @Mus_hus78 @Ranjan Das @varunmehndiratta @Mario Cornejo @Ashok chaturvedi @Rizwanm2 Please confirm your availability. This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to go through below information and strictly follow these guidelines in order not to jeopardize someone's health, and to ensure we can keep organizing these drives safely. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions Mandatory Safety Requirements Ban from Carnity Off-road Club Two Way Radio Guidelines Drive Details Level: Intermediate and above When: 17 Dec 2021, Friday Meeting time: 7:30 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Starting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/bZ77eVtDJqDhGJBm7 You can come early and camp in same starting point if you like. Last Fuel Station: https://goo.gl/maps/D6t1rXkuecZScyPZ9 NO 100 Liters of FUEL = NO DRIVE - Carry additional jerry cans accordingly SWB Cars = 2 Jerry can of extra fuel LWB Cars = 1 Jerry can of extra fuel 100+ liter fuel tank cars = No need for extra fuel. Lunch Break: 1 Hour in between with couple of short breaks (if needed). Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, lunch, snacks, face mask, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 4:00 PM End Point: https://goo.gl/maps/hcRAsNvzKXnFDTMm7 THIS IS A COMPRESSOR ONLY DRIVE. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 10 Intermediate and above drivers. RSVP will close on 29 Nov, Monday - 9 AM. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list. Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. Please RSVP on Below Calendar:

I drive geo at 9 - 10 psi regularly and only popped once in last 5+ year due to unavoidable high speed bump at slip face. You can try again at 10 and avoid fighting gravity aggressively, as reported by Lawrence, by choosing higher lines. If you lose the line then little course correction is acceptable than sliding all the way through slip face, its lucky you had a pop out than a roll over. For pop out, as I mentioned to double check your rim offset compare to stock rims as that's where aftermarket rims pop out become difficult. If it's original, then Method should share the technique to use (if any) to fix these in desert. I was thinking of buying tire mounting lube after yesterday's incident, to see if tire seating for such difficult rims can be handled easily.

too late to waste a slot. @Daniel Yang sorry for so late ping, if you like you can join now this FB+ drive.

I seriously want to test Josh and all behind him, as every time Josh drove with me he was at sweep. Not because of 6.2L but I needed his support. Let's see what fun awaits tomo, after all its FB+

Drive RSVP is closed now. Please find your convoy numbering below. We will use Radio Channel 6: 446.131'25. If your radio is not set to new channels from 5-10, please configure them in advance. @Gok Krish @MMansoor @JamesThorn @Josh T. @Gilbert Khalil @Lawrence_Chehimi @Adhir Saxena @Charbel @Zed @Werno @Ranjan Das Gaurav Silver Pajero Gok Krish 2014 Jeep Wrangler SWB MMansoor Nissan Patrol Y62 JamesThorn 2020 Lexus LX570 Black Josh T. 2021 GMC Sierra crew Gilbert Khalil FJ Cruiser Extreme Lawrence_Chehimi 2019 Nissan Patrol Y62 Daniel Yang Patrol Y61 Charbel Nissan Xterra - Silver Zed Land Cruiser V8 4.7L Werno 2017 Jeep Wrangler SWB Ranjan Das Wrangler-Grey-4 Door

@MMansoor you've been added to this drive. Please confirm, if you are joining or not so that others in waitlist can get a chance. Current Waitlist First Drive: @Daniel Yang Second Drive: @Thomas Varghese @Hasan Wahlan @Rawad

@Pacific and @Adhir Saxena you've been added to this drive. Please confirm, if you are joining or not so that others in waitlist can get a chance. Current Waitlist First Drive: @MMansoor @Daniel Yang Second Drive: @Thomas Varghese @Hasan Wahlan @Rawad

@Pacific you've been added to this drive, please confirm. Current Waitlist First Drive: @Adhir Saxena @MMansoor @Daniel Yang Second Drive: @Thomas Varghese @Hasan Wahlan @Rawad

Sorry Fredy no comments for me on this topic.

Congratulations @Simon Claes for reaching the Fewbie Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 5 Newbie drives are required within last 3 months for Fewbie promotion. What you'll learn Basic dune and sand reading Self-recovery techniques Shoveling at right place Crawling out of difficult situations Blip Blip - Coordinate steering and gas control Basic side sloping and hill climb Basic ridge riding and criss crossing Basic control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving Ability to manage stuck/refusals with radio Learn to control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Presence of mind and attention to detail Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie and Fewbie drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Xavier Treasurer for reaching the Intermediate Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. INTERMEDIATE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie Plus drives are required within last 6 months for Intermediate promotion. What you'll learn Basic GPS and navigational skills Basic tow rope and winch recoveries Extreme side sloping and long hill climb Tall dunes ridge riding and criss crossing Precise control over technical dunes Fast pace desert driving Clear radio communication skills Advance recovery skills Self recover from dune crest Soft sand recovery Pop-out fixing Skills required Adventurous and thrill seeker but in a safe manner Level headed under stressful situations Responsible, dependable and accountable Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS. Drive teamwork Manage center forward position with Trip Lead’s permission Learn/assist recoveries under Trip Lead’s supervision Re-route convoy and coordination, when needed Learn to lead small portion of Intermediate drive under Marshal supervision Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie, Intermediate and Exploration drives only Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to go through below information and and strictly follow these guidelines. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions Ban from Carnity Off-road Club Two Way Radio Guidelines Drive Details Level: Fewbie Plus and Above When: 10 December 2021, Friday. Meeting time: 07:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/GUCou4GTPAxTLrXC7 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 11:00 AM PS: COMPRESSOR ONLY DRIVE. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 10 cars only. RSVP will close on Thursday - 3:00pm If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list. Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. Please RSVP on the Calendar below

Well said Islam and I just rem to share another example how first attempt usually a part of learning curve than blaming anyone. When we got the car down, and we need to tow dead vehicle for 20 meter smooth incline, 3 cars and 4 drivers (including myself) failed with all the hp, torque and experience. That doesn't mean that all previous cars and drivers were incompetent or inexperience for such a small tug. It means nothing is confirmed, guaranteed or proven that we will always be correct in our first attempt when it comes to off-roading.

Split has been planned since Monday, but kept as surprise so that we can go as one convoy for the first hour to re-access everything before announcing and splitting.

This seems like a most common perception of everyone who witnessed two style of recoveries that day. In reality if your car wasn't secured by Ranjan winch and Shaaz car it would have flipped anyways due to 50+ degree tilt. While doing extreme recoveries, sometime we win and sometime we fail irrespective of experience, gadgets, number of people around. I saved 3 cars from catching fire and failed two times. Shaaz experience made me aware of lot of things what didn't work so that I could plan more intense and cautious approach due to tricky nature involved.

Thanks, everyone here for your inputs on the tricky Paolo's FJ recovery. A great round of applause for everyone to pitch in and coordinate with whatever they can to make things right and safe as soon as we can at such a tricky angle and a huge slip face. Here are my learnings, mistakes, and takeaway from such incidents. FJ Cruiser: Lifted with dangerous height without compensating the center of gravity by widening the stance. I noticed that in the morning and I think it's 4-6 inches above standard FJ height. I didn't ask or mention anything assuming (my mistake) that Paolo must be driving this super lifted FJ for a long time as he has reached IM level, so he has been safely married to this higher stance. FJ Cruiser from the factory has a borderline tipsy center of gravity, so FJ owners who lift FJ more must be 200% aware of this ridiculously bad center of gravity and MUST adjust their drive style accordingly. Paolo: As Paolo already accepted his driver error, that starts the journey for learning after the acceptance. He didn't follow the same line as Shaaz and Ranjan. He didn't exit and come down to re-attempt. Kept fighting gravity until the whole momentum was lost. Switched off the car after 14:45 minutes on side slope stuck. Paolo refused to come out after the side flip (GRAVE MISTAKE). This alone could have cost much trouble for everyone. In case of side flip or roll-over - NUMBER ONE PRIORITY is to get human life out and then figure out ways to think it through to control the situation. After removing the seatbelt and sitting in a flipped vehicle on a slip face with 30-40 meter height could have been a nightmare if FJ rolled. In a side flip position with leaking fluids, the car could have caught fire. If Paolo loses consciousness in such a side flip position, we need to risk more lives to get him out. Learning: If you lost track or line, exit safely and make a second attempt. If you can't make it a second attempt, request lead to re-route. Switch off the engine ASAP when you have a roll-over or side flip. Exit the vehicle ASAP if you have secured the vehicle and removed your seat belt. Shaaz: Managed to recover the vehicle in the best possible ways but due to inherent damage caused by 50-60 degree tilt it was almost inevitable to avoid the side flip. He requested Paolo to switch off the engine, which probably got missed on the radio, and reconfirmation of the same would have at least saved the engine (maybe). He could have comforted and assured Paolo that the car is secured with 2 cars and its safe for him to get out from the boot door. Gaurav: While in an attempt to reach them faster I went in a straight line in big dunes, which cost us a couple of refusals until I decide to backtrack and look for a straight but long way to reach them. I could have comforted Paolo over the phone and made him convince to get out of the car by explaining the risk involved. Extreme Recovery While in extreme recovery, we all know that we need to follow certain standards and steps to handle the situation. These steps are designed to provide maximum safety and control. Switch off the engine Get the driver and passenger out Bring the vehicle back on its wheel Let it sit for a while so that engine oil and other fluids can settle down. If a vehicle is not switched off immediately, the car will not start due to internal engine damage. Making extreme recovery more tedious and time-consuming to tow the vehicle out or seek expensive desert recovery trucks. If the engine is cranking and not starting then the spark plug need to be removed. If the engine is not cranking (turning over) means some internal damage is already happened by a delay in switching off the vehicle. That's why I suggested moving the engine crank by hand. Jumpstart and car started but with loud clanking noise of piston or connecting rod that must have starved due to lack of lubrication and stalled the engine. If the vehicle starts after the flip or roll, let the white smoke subside within the first 2-5 minutes, and then it's safe to be driven out till tarmac (but not with white smoke). If we would have used a car engine to push for those 20 meters incline with clanking noise it could have either stalled or blown the piston out when it's clearly hitting some hard metal inside the chamber at 750 rpm, imagine a blow at 4-5K rpm, might cause an instant engine burst. Trip lead is prime Every Carnity trip lead has been selected after rigorous testing (attitude and skillset) from all existing Marshals and crew based on several drives, incidents, initiative, and presence of mind. Every Carnity trip lead then goes through the intensive leaders lead training to cover all aspects of leading drives, navigation, basic troubleshooting, and extreme recovery. And then allowed to lead the first few drives under supervision before they embark on leading their individual drives. Shaaz has completed 79 drives with Carnity in the last 16 months and has successfully completed all the pre-requisites to lead a drive in Liwa. Unfortunately, Shaaz has seen such extreme recovery too soon, but it doesn't make him a lesser lead or junior lead in anyways. Such accidents or incidents are part of this extreme sport and that's why we always remind everyone during the briefing not to lose track or fight gravity. I humbly request everyone for big learning and take away that please abide by trip lead instruction (new or old) at all times considering your safety first. Always support the trip lead with whatever they request you to contribute, as keeping trip lead car and mind free to gain complete control during such extreme situations. Be more nice and gentle with your suggestions for them to evaluate accordingly. Keep a calm demeanor during extreme recoveries so that everyone can think it through and make the right decisions. Replacement Yellow Truck - IM drive We will soon plan a replacement drive for all IM drivers who missed this drive and boldly supported such extreme recovery with all the best efforts, tools, vehicles, and knowledge to display brilliant teamwork at the end.

Congratulations @M.Seidam for reaching the Expert Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. EXPERT - Carnity Exclusivity Carnity Benefits Off-road Certification with rank and skills achieved Full access to Carnity without any paid subscription Join any drive in “Manage” tab even when drive is full Carnity Contribution Committed to drive with Carnity off-road club only Lead/Support: 3 drives or more per month at least Forum contribution to earn Carnity points Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 drives are required for Expert promotion along with mandatory attendance to leaders lead drives. (Promotion will be based on Marshal / Crew feedback.) What you'll learn Navigating with or without GPS on the fly Trip planning, safety exits and recce skills Basic firefighting and first aid techniques Basic knowledge of car and overheating issues Minimal response to vehicle breakdown and accidents Skills required Resilient, calculative and rational thinker Self-reliance, positive attitude and forward thinking Kind, selfless and considerate to other’s concerns Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS, Floor jack and jack board, tire repair kit, tool box, tie-down straps, fluids. Drive teamwork Lead Fewbie or Intermediate drive with Marshal permission Inspect vehicle for safety before the off-road drive Support Marshal to learn 1:1 Desert Driving Course Drive Joining All Levels Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

And I'm one of those who cannot, two days in a row - failed to reach Yellow Truck. True CHAMPION. Bravo.

Here is the convoy numbering for IM drive. We will use Radio channel 4: 446.081'25 With plenty of support and awesome cars and drivers, we plan to have absolute blast. Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow morning SHARP AT 7:30 AM @Mario Cornejo @Ruan van den Heever @Mus_hus78 @Arman @JeromeFJ @Rizwanm2 @varunmehndiratta @Shaaz Sha @Ranjan Das @PaoloMaraziti @Rawad @Ashok chaturvedi @Thomas Varghese @Alain Canivet-Abikhalil Gaurav Silver Pajero Mario Cornejo Patrol SWB Ruan van den Heever Grey Wrangler, 4-door Mus_hus78 Pajero2012 Arman Grey Wrangler TJ JeromeFJ FJ Cruiser 2021 Grey Rizwanm2 White Nissan - Xterra varunmehndiratta Black Wrangler LWB Shaaz Sha Xterra Ranjan Das Grey Wrangler LWB PaoloMaraziti Toyota FJ Cruiser Rawad Nissan Y62 V8 - Blue Ashok chaturvedi Yellow FJC Thomas Varghese White XTERRA Alain Canivet-Abikhalil Silver Wrangler LWB

We have tried and failed to do proper Liwa crossing in 2017, 18 and 19 with endless fencing from military area, oil and gas and conservation fence. Now the recent one are the seismic study bull-dozer track. As above track is issued by DCTAD, it looks promising and worth trying again.

Congratulations @Hisham Masaad for reaching the Expert Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. EXPERT - Carnity Exclusivity Carnity Benefits Off-road Certification with rank and skills achieved Full access to Carnity without any paid subscription Join any drive in “Manage” tab even when drive is full Carnity Contribution Committed to drive with Carnity off-road club only Lead/Support: 3 drives or more per month at least Forum contribution to earn Carnity points Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 drives are required for Expert promotion along with mandatory attendance to leaders lead drives. (Promotion will be based on Marshal / Crew feedback.) What you'll learn Navigating with or without GPS on the fly Trip planning, safety exits and recce skills Basic firefighting and first aid techniques Basic knowledge of car and overheating issues Minimal response to vehicle breakdown and accidents Skills required Resilient, calculative and rational thinker Self-reliance, positive attitude and forward thinking Kind, selfless and considerate to other’s concerns Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS, Floor jack and jack board, tire repair kit, tool box, tie-down straps, fluids. Drive teamwork Lead Fewbie or Intermediate drive with Marshal permission Inspect vehicle for safety before the off-road drive Support Marshal to learn 1:1 Desert Driving Course Drive Joining All Levels Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive