@Islam Soliman @Imteeaz thank you very much for the drive and all the help with my popout and that stuck which look liked some one dropped me from air. That was split second distraction I think I was looking at where the other car was going and kind of lost where I am going and hit the bottom of dune straight, i will say i was , I don't know, technical need much more focus. I tend to avoid it but I rsvp as you said in the description to get that fear out of getting stuck in tight situations. And from the many stucks you guys manged I really learned a lot.. thank you very much. Hope all had fun and that gazelle finds home....