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Yes I did, she went from dark blue to metallic blue

Reviving this topic since i started messing around with my Patrol. I have been looking for the best way to disable the following (in one go): 1. Traction Control 2. ESP 3. ABS Since i have seen kill switches being installed by some so called "reputable" workshops in an absolute horrendous way, i am looking for a clean setup that i can do myself. So far i have been disabling Traction control by using the button on the center console. and the ESP by pushing in the little button on the brake pedal (thanks @Imteeaz for sharing this). It is however a bit annoying that whenever you go to 4Lo or restart the engine you need to do the same procedure. Now the next step is to get the ABS disabled too. There are indeed a couple of fuses in the engine bay which could be removed but i'd rather not do that. After some small research i found there is a small 7.5 Amp mini-fuse in the fusebox underneath the steering wheel. If i remove that i noticed Traction control, ESP, and ABS all disabled in one go ! But weirdly enough speedometer stops working, and the odometer does not count anymore.... so that basically means my offroad miles are not being counted 😆 Next step will be to obtain something like this from Amazon: or this: And inbetween the red wires a small switch. That should hopefully work. If anyone has more experiences or other tricks/hacks please so share them.

It's a good and safe practice to join a lower-level drive after a big gap and it's even more advisable when you have a change of vehicle too. As you have had 1 FB plus in Sep 2022, that's why Varun took this call, if it was 5-6 FB+ then it would have been passable but with caution.

Dear friends please go through this introductory clip and make sure you watch it before joining this drive if it’s your first time in Carnity

Looks brand new @Vanessa8580. Can't wait to see it in action on Sunday

Extreme fish tailing and fighting gravity - one of the common causes for roll over

The soft sand build wall immediately and easily to the opposit side of sharp turn beside the tires which act as a fulcrum and the height of the car becomes the lever and needs a pointed finger to push the top of the care pressing this lever turning in to the side ( this is another reason where a non compensated high lifted car are prone to such flips ) Good point never leave the gas while turning , just gently keep the tires on rolling otherwise you will loose track anyway , off-course not against gravity obviously

@GauravSoni certainly steering down would have helped, possibly even without further accelerating. I have the impression that the car dug sideways into the soft sand, creating the stumbling block on which it rolled. But, as always, the first mistake was steering up and not down. If done, at worst it may have been stuck in the soft sand, but favouring gravity, not fighting it.

It seems that the driver left the gas pedal while there was still sideways momentum as the car was fishtailing. That brought the car to halt with momentum still very much in place. @Ale Vallecchi would keeping the gas and turning left helped him to avoid this?

It doesn't only happen on high, steep, sharp dunes. VID-20210111-WA0012.mp4

Another one , fighting gravity in wrong angle ! , in other words let the momentum that you carry ( like up hill climb or side slope ) fight for you cause if you let you engine fight late and not from the beginning it will almost always end like that . I am least experience and hence I say it

@Ahab Shamaa any advice coming from @Rahimdad is gold. His experience, and the fact that he can do virtually anything with a very regular car (no disrespect is meant) shows you how it's always the driver's choice to make the difference. In the case of the almost roll-over, no amount of power, no super high clearance, no other fancy mod, would have saved the driver. It was just his luck that the car didn't roll. Going back to Rahim bhai's advise, if the Pajero had approached from a wider/higher angle, and had stayed higher on the slope, he would have gained/kept the momentum (why do you think parabolic curves aid drivers in race tracks?), and gravity would not have taken over. Having failed that, of course, his capital sin was fighting gravity (he should have gone down the slope to his left, and re-attampted). This weekend be ready to put Rahimdad's suggestions to good use. There'll plenty of slopes to ride slopes, and plenty of opportunities to climb them, or to make a safe exit, rather than fighting a losing uphill battle.

@Gaurav Flag !!

Speed is one : couldn’t ride the ridge as it was curvy at the end to left. looking carefully and in slow motion maybe when realized it at the end decided to ride to turn again but already the momentum ( always faster then the intended turn ) pushed him to the other side which caused the flip .here comes the precise control with speed in action and the sense of danger , I would complete the side down especially when you are attacking the slip side of this complex dune !🤔 I might not be right entirely so let’s see our Carnity leaders say cheers 🚙👍

Oops 😬 cannot spot any other thing except for the crazy speed or the loud music... I wonder though if he tried doing a hard braking which didn’t work🤔 and that’s when he flew and flipped...

Not an expert at all but it seems to me as the driver simply forgot that he/she is driving on sand, such crazy speed was like he/she is on an endless runway... My question is why would do that or behave like that?

This is what happens if you enter the desert directly from Sheikh Zayed Road

That crested wrangler looks happy in being stuck there... Angle was wrong here but it would not a big problem if power was less... Same angle with a bit less power could do a safe crossing I think (not too less as that wrangler). Also, just before reaching to the top (see sec 0:19) it slightly turned steering to right and broke the balance of landing (did it to avoid from wrangler I think) After watching all these videos, I will more focus to "decrease" power. As seen here, soft sand can suddenly stop any momentum if approaching angle is high, so it shouldn't be underestimated...

Too much speed and wrong angle and the driver has certainly floored the gas pedal after the front wheels went through.

Three things were wrong - too much speed - wrong approach angle - he should ride the Crest for some distance and cross rather than jump over. Additionally , probably the sand was softer on the other side of the Crest.

Defenders Of The Jero! lol Ez tuu mucj bowar

@Wrangeld thanks for sharing, the speed was too much, so as said aiming for a huge dune which wasn't there. @Javier M for the Jeep Cherokee with the back window open, wrong angle and tires pointing in wrong direction, best way to recover is with straight wheels from that kind of a stuck, thank God nothing really happened, but could well have been a very bad case. Thanks for sharing. @Javier M for the Toyota Fortuner he was just trying to drift so the whole wait of the vehicle was on the right side at the point he came across a slight decline and the gravity did the rest. From the screams and the kind of music playing, no experience, just trying to play around a bit and things just got complicated.

This topic is very informative!👏👏👏

I've been "out" more than you can imagine. If you combine your last 10 years of off roading, won't equal to 1 year of mine So let's not get into that debate, because I'm tired of repeating myself here. 😉

Wow, I have no words. So many mistakes at the same time. OMG

Did nobody noticed the absolute knobhead who was taking a selfie while Alonso was flying over the dune ? I have the impression that the spectators were basically forcing him to change direction, they were all in the way.

I think he was going too much to the right side and was afraid to run over the people there, seems he was trying his best to correct it and try to go through the path, you can see he is reducing his speed. or he just need some basic offroad classes.

He thought he was in Qatar at the cresent dune

It feels that his engine stalled all of sudden. He lost the momentum and he could have turned down before his rear started fish tailing. Most important rule - Never ever fight gravity Most important - he must have wore his seatbelt. Heard he died in this accident. few from other groups were saying - his engine stalled and transmission was stuck all of sudden.

@Chirag S. this thread is for the newer people to identify and have a chance to learn from someone else mistake. The intention is for newer people to understand and not repeat the same mistake when they are in the desert. Go through the video again and see the reason for him slowing down. Please also pay attention to the load tied in at the back of the truck. You'll be amazed how many new things you can pick up every time you go through a video. Have to be patient and have to keep looking to find out what actually went wrong.

There is a lot more to this one @Chirag S., nice video @Asif Hussain bhai, great learning from this.

I have to add that the info and instructions given during the briefing couldn’t be more useful and accurate to avoid mishaps like this one. Rahim and Sri’s words recommending drivers not to fight gravity when the car is fishtailing were stuck in my head after the incident, as I saw what might happen if drivers don’t do so. The driver bought the car with the mods already done. Which can be an inconvenient such in this case...

Yes @Emmanuel going down left is always safe.

These XJ guys always think they are too smart and try to do something other than what the car in front has done. 😋 Same can be said for some RAV4 drivers as well.

Here are my observations: He clearly didn't follow the path on extreme right and thought of taking shortcut. OR he followed the path but due to slow speed he slide down on soft patch. Ideally at that point, he should have come down slowly to make another attempt without fighting gravity. Due to slip face, its difficult for him to climb and still he fought the slip face with lack of momentum. Lack of experience, made him think he can climb up and steer sharp left on such short space. In end while reversing out of such situation, steering should be straight and come down slowly.

Thanks @Gaurav bhai for your encouraging words. Really looking forward to resume once the car is up and running. Thank you for your kind words @Frederic. And yea - definitely looking forward to many many more rides with you guys in the future. You guys rock! Thanks @Srikumar. Thanks @syedyaseer for your kind words.

Hats off to @Shamil to immediately analyze the situation & check what went wrong or rather what he did was wrong. We learn from our mistakes. Unfortunately people who owns their fault are rare. Salute to your courage for not just accepting it, but analyzing and sharing with others.

Car did not reduce speed while crossing Crest and steering opposite to gravity

Instead of hard brake he could turn right and come down.

looks like he was coming too fast and too close to the other Landcruiser, so he might have applied the braked agressively, causing the car to sink away in the soft sand and tip over. Why aren't these guys using the flags or radios ?

@Frederic, @Praveenmp and @Mujtaba very rightly put. No flag and no radio. That is why we emphasize that it the first 2 things you should get.

Rightly said Praveen. The driver should have intimated the Stuck immediately.

He turned too much than when it start fishtail he braked too hard

The observation was indeed too close and well explained from both Gaurav and Shree don’t think they have left anything else to say

My view: 1. The car never reached the top of the ridge in order to cross over. I always feel that its important to ride the ridge a bit before crossing. 2. While crossing the rear of the car fish tailed causing the car to slide on the left side and then he was in a situation where the car was fighting gravity. Once the vehicle direction had turned 90 degree, it was always going to flip with the momentum. 3. Possible since the sand was churned up in the area his left front wheel got stuck which aggravated the problem of flipping. Bottom line, dont fight gravity...you might escape sometimes but not all the time.

Excellent observation from a newbie perspective which shows your commitment to learning this sport with utmost safety. Totally impressed @Javier M, keep it up. Drifting downward and upward is not a good idea at all. On a flat ground, it's barely acceptable (borderline), if you know how to do it and do it within limits for just a little while. Drifting should be left for expert and professional drivers with proper safety gear, clothing, helmet, and roll cage installed vehicle on the race track or completely cordoned off area for the safety of others, and not in public desert playgrounds.

1) Tow hook on the back was connected to the bumper instead to the chassis itself it seems. 2) Not sure if he did previous pulls on this occasion, cause he drove off pretty fast. Would have been better if he did two slower pulls, followed by a more dynamic pull like this. 3) The rear wheels of that Prado were almost 80% dug in. Does not look like they cleared the sand out first to ease the recovery.

Looked like a tom and Jerry show where we know whats coming up next and are waiting to laugh but cannot do anything to stop it happen.

Bad angle and the pick up is going waaayy too fast.. and it doesnt hurt to use a kinetic recovery rope.

there is no medicine for over confidence...