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Yes I did, she went from dark blue to metallic blue

Reviving this topic since i started messing around with my Patrol. I have been looking for the best way to disable the following (in one go): 1. Traction Control 2. ESP 3. ABS Since i have seen kill switches being installed by some so called "reputable" workshops in an absolute horrendous way, i am looking for a clean setup that i can do myself. So far i have been disabling Traction control by using the button on the center console. and the ESP by pushing in the little button on the brake pedal (thanks @Imteeaz for sharing this). It is however a bit annoying that whenever you go to 4Lo or restart the engine you need to do the same procedure. Now the next step is to get the ABS disabled too. There are indeed a couple of fuses in the engine bay which could be removed but i'd rather not do that. After some small research i found there is a small 7.5 Amp mini-fuse in the fusebox underneath the steering wheel. If i remove that i noticed Traction control, ESP, and ABS all disabled in one go ! But weirdly enough speedometer stops working, and the odometer does not count anymore.... so that basically means my offroad miles are not being counted 😆 Next step will be to obtain something like this from Amazon: or this: And inbetween the red wires a small switch. That should hopefully work. If anyone has more experiences or other tricks/hacks please so share them.

It's a good and safe practice to join a lower-level drive after a big gap and it's even more advisable when you have a change of vehicle too. As you have had 1 FB plus in Sep 2022, that's why Varun took this call, if it was 5-6 FB+ then it would have been passable but with caution.

Looks Killer. Cant wait to see it in the flesh

Looks brand new @Vanessa8580. Can't wait to see it in action on Sunday

Now this scenario of slowing , stalling at that particular moment when taking the turn and the vehicle in such inclination has many reasons either vehicle related or driver related and both lead to the end fact that the front wheels cease rolling to bring the nose down as a result what ever was left from the direction of previous momentum act like a gentle push to flip a suddenly stalled inclined vehicle .

The soft sand build wall immediately and easily to the opposit side of sharp turn beside the tires which act as a fulcrum and the height of the car becomes the lever and needs a pointed finger to push the top of the care pressing this lever turning in to the side ( this is another reason where a non compensated high lifted car are prone to such flips ) Good point never leave the gas while turning , just gently keep the tires on rolling otherwise you will loose track anyway , off-course not against gravity obviously

Let's play a little at "What could have gone wrong?". Any comments on this successful recovery? What would you have done differently, and what could have happened (that luckily didn't)? VID-20201205-WA0007.mp4

So @Rahimdad, is it a rule to follow “drive higher on the ridge of the dune”? Maybe we can have @Ale Vallecchi illustrate how to do that this coming Friday or Saturday with his toy car. My first drive with Ale, he used a toy car and a made-up sand dune, to explain to the group what he wanted us to do. Low and behold, things just sunk in for me. I have to visualize things to understand them I guess 😀

@Gaurav Flag !!

Thank you @J J and @Asif Hussain for posting some very valuable videos in order to learn from these mishaps. I think everybody knows the main reasons for the flip, thanks to a very decisive approach by @Carnity to have a structure and teach people slowly and steadily their capability, vehicle capability and understanding the dynamics of each vehicle. On @J J video all I can say I'd fish tailing. When your vehicle is fish tailing to the left, steer left. This could have been avoided if he steer to the left. The left back side of the car got pulled by gravity and he failed to steer the car to the left. A little extra throttle to correct the trajectory of the car could have also helped with correct steering. Knowing the basics is one thing, but practicing these during every drive to know your vehicle dynamics and these principles become a part of your every day drive. @Asif Hussain bhai video, sand reading and knowing when to and when not to do certain manoeuvres are critical. If the driver understood the correct way of criss crossing he would never attempt it on such a sharp ridge at such high speed. The car literally jumped to the other side with the right front tire getting caught by sand while the rest of the car momentum continued to result in a roll over. Never a good sight to see these accidents, not only it dents the car, but also the owners pocket and their confidence. Thus whenever attempting such manoeuvres the trip lead always goes first and advises the others the dangers in @Carnity.

Speed is one : couldn’t ride the ridge as it was curvy at the end to left. looking carefully and in slow motion maybe when realized it at the end decided to ride to turn again but already the momentum ( always faster then the intended turn ) pushed him to the other side which caused the flip .here comes the precise control with speed in action and the sense of danger , I would complete the side down especially when you are attacking the slip side of this complex dune !🤔 I might not be right entirely so let’s see our Carnity leaders say cheers 🚙👍

1) fighting gravity 2) not putting on seat belt

Honestly and without reading the further comments I wanna give it a try of what I think first : it seemed as it’s a “ pull to flip “ rather than pull/ tug to recover 🤔 second : the recovery car and the FJC both going against gravity ( for the FJC it’s obvious , and for the Pagero what got it worse is the recovery rop from the middle was elevated by small ground hump acting like a pulley with upward direction of about 30 degree and together with the rope angle it’s plus 60 toward left ( already the FJC was stuck in a tilt right up ) third : non kinetic rope fourth : no sand clearance fifth : both vehicles needed to be redirected for better recovery sixth : rear tug abit could save all day by permitting more distance in front of FJC to later go forward using created slop momentum Seventh : if its me as a newbie I would feel comfortable to do what I am not sure of and I will ask for advice if alone ( I will not go alone off course ) or seek advice from others more experience in the group

Oops 😬 cannot spot any other thing except for the crazy speed or the loud music... I wonder though if he tried doing a hard braking which didn’t work🤔 and that’s when he flew and flipped...

This is what happens if you enter the desert directly from Sheikh Zayed Road

That crested wrangler looks happy in being stuck there... Angle was wrong here but it would not a big problem if power was less... Same angle with a bit less power could do a safe crossing I think (not too less as that wrangler). Also, just before reaching to the top (see sec 0:19) it slightly turned steering to right and broke the balance of landing (did it to avoid from wrangler I think) After watching all these videos, I will more focus to "decrease" power. As seen here, soft sand can suddenly stop any momentum if approaching angle is high, so it shouldn't be underestimated...

Three things were wrong - too much speed - wrong approach angle - he should ride the Crest for some distance and cross rather than jump over. Additionally , probably the sand was softer on the other side of the Crest.

Nice observation @topgear. Would like more insight from more people. @Anish S, @Veedooshee, @Lorenzo Candelpergher, @Michael sammy, @Rizwanm2, @Mels Wolf, @luwaimn, @Tbone, @J J, @Rinelle Sanaani, @Chaitanya D, @Incognitoes, @Desert Dweller, @Vanessa8580, @Magellan, @Yousef Alimadadi, @Denizzalbayrak, @George Francis, @Colin Jordan, @marks, @Mehmet Volga, @Foxtrot Oscar, @Jun Zamora, @Vipin Shetty, @Gregory Perkin.

Defenders Of The Jero! lol Ez tuu mucj bowar

This topic is very informative!👏👏👏

I think he was going too much to the right side and was afraid to run over the people there, seems he was trying his best to correct it and try to go through the path, you can see he is reducing his speed. or he just need some basic offroad classes.

He thought he was in Qatar at the cresent dune

There is a lot more to this one @Chirag S., nice video @Asif Hussain bhai, great learning from this.

That’s why I was impressed and proud of @Mohammed Yaasir who drove his own wrecked car back to the road and kept calm at all times! He didn’t even get stuck while driving up and down Maliha dunes 😁

I have to add that the info and instructions given during the briefing couldn’t be more useful and accurate to avoid mishaps like this one. Rahim and Sri’s words recommending drivers not to fight gravity when the car is fishtailing were stuck in my head after the incident, as I saw what might happen if drivers don’t do so. The driver bought the car with the mods already done. Which can be an inconvenient such in this case...

Yes @Emmanuel going down left is always safe.

In the Hummer incident,The Cruiser was front-heavy , soft shackle would have been less dangerous but an alternate angle should have been considered in my view. I was conveyed by the grapevine that in this case the shackle hit the steering wheel and then the chin of the Hummer driver but can't confirm this as a fact, he survived. I have witnessed similar failure due to use of an eyelet instead of a properly rated tow hook resulting in the metal shackle ripping the eyelet like it was made of butter, then damaging the AC radiator and grill of the RAM being pulled .The RAM was being pulled by a Wrangler that was also a wrong vehicle due to the weight difference.

These XJ guys always think they are too smart and try to do something other than what the car in front has done. 😋 Same can be said for some RAV4 drivers as well.

Thanks habibi @Fuad. We have missed you buddy. Try and join us soon. I know you are based in Al ain but if time permits then please do join us.

Hats off to @Shamil to immediately analyze the situation & check what went wrong or rather what he did was wrong. We learn from our mistakes. Unfortunately people who owns their fault are rare. Salute to your courage for not just accepting it, but analyzing and sharing with others.

Well done @Shamil for sharing your incident with bold outlook to accept the failure, mistake or bad luck with open heart to help other avoid it and learn from collective experience. Keep it up and I'm sure we gonna see stronger, smarter and more seasoned Shamil soon. Nice input @Jas Gajaria spot on.

I can think of a few issues here- 1) The pull was in the wrong direction 2) The pull was too hard 3) The tow rope was attached to the wrong side of the towed vehicle 4) The towed driver kept his wheels pointing straight ahead- he should have turned into the direction of the pull

This could have been well avoided if the had real-time communication

And also I don’t know how many tourists he cramed on the backseats. It looks like they were one or two hundred 😂

Well for one thing driver seemed to be distracted momentarily by the passenger pointing out at where they were supposed to be. In the desert a moment of distraction is enough to cause this result. Plus I think the were riding the ridge, so most probably the car was heavier to the left when shown to go right he tried to fight gravity to go right and ended up with the flip. Jeeps are a bit unstable in these kind of situations and one should always be more cautious when doing such manoeuvres in the Jeep. BTW the JL looks pretty good with an easy exit after the flip.

Car did not reduce speed while crossing Crest and steering opposite to gravity

May be lack of communication to use proper throttle, speed and Power.

Over-speeding for sure, May be he hasn't read other side of the dune or judgement error

Rightly said Praveen. The driver should have intimated the Stuck immediately.

Reminds me of Rav4 near Big Red. I agree with @Gaurav bhai. Recovery should not start at 120 KPH. Should make a path and start slowly and gradually increase the strength of the pull. Thank God nobody got injured in this.

This guy seems to be a stunt master. He should have towed him slowly out instead of doing the funky speed

He turned too much than when it start fishtail he braked too hard

+1 at 0:08 sec the front left wheel is already started to lift. Probably too fast for the angle.

Thank you @Gaurav and @skumar83 for you views. Both of you have got it right. I have once before seen similar flip in Faqa area with a fellow offroader. The main culprit is the Jeep's Center of gravity is very high due to the lift and no spacers to even out the lift. Sometimes people buy fully modded Jeeps but with no experience in handling such a ride. The more experienced people normally judge the person by this highly modded vehicle and accept people for drives beyond their capacity. Judging by the speed and the way he approached the ridge cutting it is evident that he does not have such experience. This further endorses the grading structure we have introduced for people to better understand the importance of joining their level drives.

Now you know rear mounted spare tyres have more benefit than one! Lol

Perfect analysis @Frederic Nuyttens correct on all 3 points. Others please feel free to share any other points you think might help to avoid the incident in the video.

Bad angle and the pick up is going waaayy too fast.. and it doesnt hurt to use a kinetic recovery rope.

And also the pickup driver should have given more gas !

there is no medicine for over confidence...