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Many many happy returns of the day. HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARJAN @Jeepie have a blast and have a wonderful day and year ahead.6 points
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Well done, congrats @Shadab Khan. Hope you and your family have happy and safe drive for years to come. And btw, I was busy whole day and wanted to reply that please dont be scare and too crazy about used cars in UAE as majority of them are good and in reasonably re-usable condition and not like your salt lake rotten cars. Take it easy, enjoy and i'm sure after few years you will have different experience of owning cars in UAE.4 points
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Mmm the XTerrians community is growing faster and faster in Carnity. Nice to hear. @Chaitanya D how was your first off-road drive with your new ride ?3 points
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You are correct @Desert Dweller. I had moved on to an xterra, but I'm going for a newbie drive in Al Qudra this week to test as well as to familiarize myself with the vehicle.3 points
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UPDATE: I have now bought the car!! https://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/jeep/grand-cherokee/2020/6/10/aed1714month-2015-jeep-grand-cherokee-summ-2/ Settled for 80K. Ideally, I would have gotten something without air suspension and with two hooks attached etc, but we'll see how this one turns out! Acknowledgement: Literally all of you helped me get a car that I feel good about. You helped me calibrate my expectations, gave me a reality check, and offered your generous help and time. For that, a BIG THANK YOU (in no order): @sertac @Frederic @Rahimdad @Chaitanya D @Gaurav @desertdude @Brette I will update this thread once the car has gone through (in this order): 1) A mechanic for fault finding so I can get it fixed while I still have warranty 2) Off-road upgrades to be able to join newbie drives (still figuring this out)3 points
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With the summer coming closer, we will go a little deeper into the dangers of being exposed to the extreme heat UAE brings to us. During off-roading, some activities such as recovery work, replacing tyres, and dealing with pop-outs, are physically demanding, and many of us who are in office jobs are not trained to cope with this amount of heat. Luckily with the help of some basic things, we can minimize the risk of below mentioned issues. The following risks are identified: Heat exhaustion: Warning signs: A person may suddenly look pale. Heart rate will increase and the victim may complain of feeling dizzy and nauseous. A feeling of weakness is also common. What to do: Seek shade immediately and lie down, especially if you’re feeling lightheaded. Apply a cold compress to the forehead and remove extra layers. Heat Stroke: Warning signs: Heat stroke is a type of hypothermia where the body temperature is greatly elevated. If not treated immediately it can be fatal. Symptoms are similar to those of a heart attack, along with nausea, headaches, hallucinations, difficulty in breathing, and agitation, What to do: apply cool water to the skin and place ice packs under the arms to reduce the temperature quickly. Preventive Measures: • Sip some water all day long, rather than just when you are thirsty. If you are thirsty it means you are already dehydrated. • Wear light clothing that can "breathe", but also wear sunblock and keep your head protected with a cap or hat. • Some fruit and vegetables can re-hydrate the body even more than water. Carry some in your cooler. • Water is important, but too much water can be dangerous as it can cause electrolyte depletion. Limit yourselves to 2-3 liters per day. • When recovering a vehicle in full sun, limit your exposure time and take some rest every couple of minutes. Because you are focused on the task at hand, you might completely forget the heat and become dizzy and exhausted. • If at some point you feel unwell, inform your club members immediately. When driving, inform immediately over the radio so the convoy can be stopped. • Keep an eye out for your fellow club members. It is relatively easy to recognize above symptoms in somebody else. Let them take appropriate rest. Please do share your tips, hints, experiences !3 points
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Happy birthday dearest. Looking to piloting our TJ ship with you for many years to come.3 points
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I feel it's not just the power, but other factors like gear ratios that also matter. All the power in the world but a messed up gearing doesn't help in long hill climbs. A straight 6 engine giving only 190 hp but having the right gear ratio can also do the Iftar bowl climb from the center. See the video. VID-20200615-WA0037.mp43 points
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Spray some water and phones are back in 10 sec. AC cooling take up to 2 minutes, water cools the best.3 points
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Thank you @Asif Hussain Bhai3 points
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That’s true! Good observation. Emmanuel won’t be there so we’re missing Jawaher. I believe @Tbonealso got himself an Xterra, but I don’t know if he’s joining this drive.2 points
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Congratulations and Best wishes @Shamil...was just wondering we have quite a few xterra in this drive 1. @Shamil 2. @Kalahari 3. @Desert Dweller 4. Mine - finally ready for the drive and I am eager to see how it fares Anyone else is driving xterra in this drive? sorry for missing out .2 points
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Congratulations @Shadab Khan. Happy and safe motoring. See you soon somewhere on the "hot" sand!2 points
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The best advice I was ever given is that a Cheap [insert luxury marque] is the most expensive one you can buy. By the time they get to the 2nd hand market with attractive prices they are out of warranty and normally need some big bit of expensive engineering that the owner does not want to pay for (timing chain/transmission). I am with most of the comments above. I looked at dozens of these supposedly 'cheap' luxury wagons when I got here. I am not sure how many times the RR air suspension was on its last legs. X5 is a beast, until you have to pay to repair it (again) and every one I looked at that was in budget was missing some major service record. I was so desperate, that in the end I bought a Jeep!2 points
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i Am thinking of IBIS hotel near Dragon mart ,any suggestion for any thing more close2 points
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You are right this happened to my action cam last week. It was a pain to take it off and then cool it for sometime and then put it back2 points
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Looks like a full house. Really great to see so much enthusiasm around to fill in the drive so quickly. @marks seems you are new to the group, please introduce yourself, the 4x4 you drive and your experience of driving in the desert. Hope you have gone through the video for the Absolute Newbie Briefing attached on my original thread. Thanks to @Brette and @Shiju Manuel for clicking on the Totally Agree smiley for both posts. I would like to request @Incognitoes, @marks and @andy_macdxb to please click on Totally Agree to the Ban from Carnity Thread as per link below. Also may I request @Incognitoes, @marks, @Yousef Alimadadi, @syed salman raza, @Jun Zamora, @luwaimn, @andy_macdxb, @Mehmet Volga, @Gregory Perkin, @George Francis and @Colin Jordan to click on Totally Agree smiley on the original drive thread. I will review the treads again by Wednesday afternoon and anybody who has not responded will be removed to make space for others interested in this drive.2 points
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@syed salman raza since there is no hotel close to the meeting point, you can go for any hotel in Sharjah or better close to Ghusais in Dubai , it would take you just over 30 - 25 minutes to reach the meeting point. If you click on the link to google maps on your PC, click on nearby and than from the pop-up select hotels, it will give you a few options. As you scroll through the hotel list on the left, it will give you the travel time on top of the maps on the right of the screen.2 points
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Congratulations @Shamil for your first drive post, highly respect the contributions you have made over the recent drives to make sure all are running smooth. This is a new feather in your cap, hoping to watch you grow further and take on the role of managing your own drive. Well done.2 points
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Congratulations @Shamil for your first official managing ride, Well deserved, how you are supporting and experiencing well earned, I was not able to catch this drive, kindly if there is a free slot add my name, I RSVP to one of the Newbie drives but will be very happy to join this fewbie drive if someone is not coming Thank you2 points
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Congrats @Shamil for your first official drive post. Well done.2 points
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Welcome to the COVID 19 "new normal" lifestyle with restrictions and precautions for everyone's safety. Moving forward and respecting guidance from the authorities all desert drives will be done under strict control. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we drive on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Maintaining social distancing is a strict requirement. We want to continue our desert drives throughout the year as we were able before this COVID crisis, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (200m - 300m) inside the desert track. Please take a good note of the meeting point so you do not join the wrong convoy. The meeting point is inside. Everyone should individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point so that there are no problems as the meeting pointis further inside than usual. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction Just because you have clicked ‘Totally Agree’ for previous drives it does not apply to this drive and needs to be clicked again. Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reach to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation Now, there will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 50-100 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Now Strictly no more sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advice by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Drive Details Level: Fewbie and above only When: 19 June 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Action Plan: Morning drive till about 10:00 AM Meeting Point: Mahafiz 200m further in from the Tree Shade – https://goo.gl/maps/bK3mMyn53rzufpwM8 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. WE WILL END THIS DRIVE ONTO TARMAC. COMPRESSOR COMPULSORY. PLEASE DO NOT SIGN UP IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COMPRESSOR. WE CANNOT SHARE EQUIPMENT IN THIS COVID PERIOD. Approximate finish time: 10:00 AM End Point: https://goo.gl/maps/wfUKMWBWB2yViU6C9 LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 12 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 1 Senior Member + 10 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR1 point
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Welcome to the COVID 19 "new normal" lifestyle with restrictions and precautions for everyone safety. Moving forward and respecting authorities guidance all desert drives will be done under strict control. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we are driving on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving just by sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Just like before we like to continue our desert drives through out the year, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. For members who are fasting, they can break their fast discreetly and convoy will be stopped during that time and until they offer their prayer. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (100m - 200m) inside the desert track. So, that you individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction. Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reach to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation Now, there will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 50-100 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Now Strictly no more sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advice by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Drive Details Level: Intermediate and above When: 19 Jun 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Action Plan: Morning drive till about 11:00 AM Meeting Point: Badayer Shops - https://goo.gl/maps/wkbNLMCiQden1psD9 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 11:00 AM End Point: Dubai - Hatta Road - https://goo.gl/maps/vcf51vX6zv4gbEG46 P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 12 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 1 Senior Member + 10 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR1 point
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In what thickness should I go for a skid plate in Xterra? Any recommendations on where I can get an aluminum ones?1 point
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I'd rather have a Corolla than a trailhawk. Rather than another shitty jeep with the hellcat motor in it Gaurav had the ZJ with the bigger magnum engine. Was still a jeep like I said it was fast and powerful but still shit and still a jeep that's. Why he sold it in 3 months! Lol Like they say never meet your heroes. And if you really still have that itch. Import one from the US dime a dozen there. Less than 20k you would have one parked in your garage with in a month or two1 point
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hi @Mahmoud Hamzawy, i have added you to this drive so please go ahead and sign out of the other drive.1 point
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I thought we already discussed this? Anyways screw sports car-esque handling mandling nobody gives a crap about it, I'm pretty sure your Mrs doesn't neither do you and neither do I, if you want handling buy yourself a sports coupe, not a luxury SUV. Like I said and everybody pretty much agrees is stay away from the BMW. I technically have a Land Rover but the engine is directly out of the BMW parts bin it shares the same engine as the 1st gen BMW X5 and earlier model 7 series. the BMW M62tub and that is the thing that has gone wrong on it most. As most know I havent bought a non Land Rover product in over 12 years now ( save for that brief period I had a sheep). 7 to 12 Land Rovers in that much time 2 Discovery series 1 and 5 Range Rovers. And this BMW engined Land Rover has been the least reliable among them all and till date has had the most work done on it out of any car Ive ever owned by myself and my LR garages , and this is not just an anecdotal story within 2 months of me buying it two other friends bough the same exact cars as well as its the same story there also. The 2010 Range Rover should be fine IMO but do expect bills every now and then, because remember just because you are buying it for 30k doesn't mean it is a 30k car. This was over a half a million dhs when it rolled off the showroom floor and so you have to treat is as such. But don't worry I know a very skilled and very reasonable priced LR specialist right here in Shj. But if all of this is not your cup of tea then I suggest You can always look into a early to mid 2000s Lx470. reliable as fek' can literally go 500k kms plus and still drive like new with 0 issues just needs a timing belt every 100k and you can drive is proper off road in the dunes as well or the cheap as chips much more roomy and brawny infinit QX56 Navigator is a great car something I have considered myself but that Triton V8 engine has a few bad habits depending on which one you are getting from spitting out spark plugs to chewing up cam phasers But a second hand Cayenne only if you don't like money. BUT do buy and own a Range Rover once in your life even if it is for a short while, until Bentley and Rolls Royce came out with SUVs of their own this was the closet you could get to that level of opulent luxurious drive specially in a SUV format for 1/100th the price. And like once my friend said after he sat in a new to me range rover. Doesn't matter which one, new or old, but once your get it, you definitely know its a Range Rover, nothing like it.1 point
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Thanks @sertac, but most of the cars you have suggested are huge bulky cars. The LR4 suggested is an Import and we are not comfortable with that. Also I do not like the Ford reputation any more. @Frederic you have given me a good option, i was told by one of the German Car dealer not to go for Audi Q7 but Q5 is OK, seems to be driven a bit too much and asking price seems high for that much mileage. Anybody can give me reliability issues for Q5, I have seen some low mileage and newer ones at attractive prices and I think with the size my wife could well be interested in these. Still waiting for @desertdude with his unique knowledge to learn more about his beloved brands and beyond.1 point
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I also leave about 15 minutes before 6 for morning drives - but I follow roads without cameras (at least for first 15 minutes :-))1 point
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I downloaded app looks good and handy speed date and plate details can be seen on screen1 point
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Thank you @Mahmoud Hamzawy and sure no problem, ill add you to the waitlist1 point
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Volvo indeed makes good cars and people all around the world appreciate their safety and gizmos. Matching the safety level is actually mandatory since few years now so almost all "Good Manufacturer" lives at par with those safety standards, as it has become an industry norm than a feather in a cap. Coming to "SUPER BAD" resale value let me explain that it goes much deeper and beyond than just the monetary loss, even if you can afford to loose over 60-70% of the car value in 3 years. Because any car resale value is purely based on the market dynamics and demand because of its: Performance Reliability Quality Ease of spare parts availability - new and used Long lasting in GCC harsh climate. As we don't marry a spouse because she has a wonderful pink gown, but we marry because she is understanding, dependable, strong and reliable. Same way buying a family car worth 150K for driver assist features is a way too long shot. I understand that you have made up your mind, but please before buying: Do test drive with those driver assist features and make them justify for all the odds that you are getting into. Do test drive other brands, they may not have futuristic driver assist features but they have pass the test of time. Little above league - Lexus GX, BMW X5, Audi Q7 - Go for little older model (to fit in 150k) Little below league - Patrol, Land Cruiser My personal recommendations as per priority- 2017 Lexus GX460 (Highest Recommendation) (150-160K) 2016 Lexus GX460 (130-140K) 2014-15 Lexus LX570 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser 2017 Lincoln Navigator (if you need 7 seats with "True luxury") 2016 Cadillac Escalade (if you need 7 seats with "True luxury") 2016-17 GMC Denali (if you need 7 seats with "True luxury")1 point
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Well If you are looking for confirmation that yes XC90 is a great ride and checks all your boxes well that obviously isn't going to happen. Personally I don't know why you are so adamant about these driver assist features that they are turning into deal breaker. And what are you on about LR not being off road capable? Are we talking about the same car here. The LR3 is a different car than the discovery. The "new" discovery I agree is useless. Not the the LR3 or even 4. These are the boxy double roof beasts which come with adjustable height suspension as standard and a V8. And they are comfortable as fek on road beat any Japanese luxury SUV in that dept and extremely capable off road right out the box.1 point
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@Shadab Khan not quite sure, but seems you have already convinced yourself to go for the Volvo XC90, Although a nice car but my advise to check for 6 - 7 year old Volvos going for under 15K so that is a huge loss in about 3 years time. As for the Disco I have been surprised by @Pickey Singh who had performed very well over several newbie drives, maybe he can give you a better idea. I used to have an old 1998 Disco 1 which was very capable at all levels once you got the feel of it. Never seen a Volvo on sands and there are none in our club, so you might be the reference point in future if you decide to go for it. I would rather go for a Luxury vehicle for my family comfort, and separate vehicle for off-roading. Look at it this way, if your AED 150k car break down in the middle of the desert and is also your family car would you be able to leave it behind until you find a solution to bring it out to the road and to a garage or the dealership? Plus I am not comfortable with all the new age technology which is not tested enough and with sand or water going into the electronics could further make it dangerous for off-roading. Just my point of view from what I have seen over the past 12 years of off-roading.1 point
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Go to that same guy again - strictly - and ask if metal bumper with 2 rubber bump stops are allowed...? After hearing his answer, you will understand my real feeling behind the above post In your Y62 case, off course I fully agree trimming is better for initial newbie-fewbie level drives.1 point
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Gaurav is right of course, but few people carry water consumption calculators, and when they do, they don't always take them seriously. Nonetheless, a rule of thumb that I learned during my military service in the Namib desert is that drinking a liter of water every hour (spread out over an hour) keeps you more evenly hydrated than drinking a liter of water once every hour. And as @shadow79 said, adding a tiny pinch of salt and a few drops of glucose to every liter of water you take during a hot day goes long way toward maintaining your electrolyte levels.1 point
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Heat stroke is not cool. Last time it happened to me I ended up in bed for a week and I couldn’t move. It feels like flu but worse. Water isn’t always enough if you’re sweating so much. Pocari sweat or another isotonic drink is a better option sometimes.1 point
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