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Those sands, those infinite areas... time well spent. And the sound the sand makes when you plunge 50 meters down... unforgettable. @Asif Hussain something for you! What a drive! Thank you sir for the opportunity! The Yellow Truck is still there - we found it! I could see a small Carnity sticker on the roof - nice accent. This was probably the most memorable dune for many: I'm tired like hell from the drive, but I have to say this one rose the bar high! I wish we had dunes like these closer to Dubai. @PAJERO petelczyc luke, your flag is something else (size wise) Happy crew together: Looking forward to some more trips like this!

@Julien Recan check the gallery tomorrow

@Josh S From what i see you have now completed a handful of drives, and i understand that you might seem confused about this topic. From a Carnity Club perspective there is a couple of reasons why we advise everyone to drive in 4H: 1. We cater to all sorts of different 4x4's. When going through most of the vehicle manuals we noticed it's clearly mentioned you should not drive it in 4L beyond 30km/h. Take note: this depends on the vehicle. A Jeep Wrangler JL can drive in 4L at higher speeds, but we have experienced plenty of issues over the years from people driving low gear for extended periods and the damaged they sustained (drive-line, axles, transfer case). (not necessarily JL models, just 4x4's in general) 2. During your learning experience, driving in 4H will give you a much better driving feedback and smoother approach to off-roading. Your vehicle has MORE than enough power to easily go through all the levels in our club. Our leads also drive in 4H (at least the ones i know ) 3. There are other clubs who drive on extreme levels and probably of them drive in 4L with heavy modified vehicles. If you are keen to drive on that level eventually, be prepared to send off your Jeep to the workshop EVERY week, and every time something breaks, that 200+drives senior marshal will tell you to modify it even further.... further down the rabbit-hole. Our Intermediate level drives are fast and thrilling, but you will notice that most of our leads achieve this with stock 4x4's (or minor mods). At the end of the day we want to go home safely and in one piece (the car as well). Pertaining to your specific case: * Rubicon has the 4:1 transfer case, so if i am not mistaken you'd have to be in 7th or 8th gear in 4L. Limited to 70km/h in 8th gear i think. @Zed might have the gear calculator handy. I would advise to stay in 4H for as long as you can and learn the art of offroading thoroughly first. After 50-60 drives you can start experimenting in various terrain and see if you find improvements. If you decide to drive on extreme/advance levels in the clubs where heavily modded cars with 4L are leading the pack, then you might gonna have to do the same. But in Carnity you'll never need it.

Big thank you to @Asif Hussain it was an EPIC first drive for me as fewbie, the whole family and the dogs had a great time! It was a pleasure to drive with you all, special thanks to @PAJERO petelczyc luke for his great support a couple of times we got into trouble 😅 After the first few dunes I have to say I had almost shaking and sweaty hands 🤣. We really enjoyed descending the big dunes with the "singing sand" 👌 We can't wait for the next "exploration drive"!

Excellent fun driving with you all today! Thanks for leading us in and out @Asif Hussain I have us at 100km flat. We started heading south west with some nice big drops and open sabkha areas to warm up the cars. First break at the 20km mark. From here we kept heading towards the date farm Oasis where we stopped for brunch Kept heading out towards the yellow truck and had some stoppage time where we had a couple of stucks in the soft POCKET OF DEATH.☠️ After finding the yellow truck and posing for @Marek_was003 photos we headed due east past the water plant and back to civilisation. Again, excellent driving everyone. Some soft patches and we never needed to get the ropes out! See you all next time. Looking forward to seeing all you pics in the gallery 🙏🌞

Super drive @Looper thanks everyone.

All I can say is good luck with the use of 4L on long climbs exceeding a speed of 40-50 km, please write back in 6 months with your learnings and experience. This is the most common and only trait of biased clubs to play with ego in a pissing contest to either show who can climb the highest or who can jump the highest for maximizing damage. For a true hill climb, there are multiple things required if you need to compare Apple to Apple. Most of it boils down to: First: Experience, skills (line of attack, approach angle, distance and momentum), and understanding of your car gearing and power band, tires, tire size, tire pressure, and weight in the car. Second comes power mods and suspension. The Last is 4H and 4L.

As far as I remember, the Wrangler states a maximum speed of 40 kmph in Low Gear. (Please double-check with your owner's manual). Recently last year @Pavel Pashkovskiy enlightened me that the "Sand Runner" owner manual says up to 90 kmph in Low gear as they have some Mohave edition or gearing that allows such high speed in Lo. As Fredy and Sri mentioned, most clubs that back 4 Low driving are backed by garages or off-road product sponsors, so they are pressed to break a minimum number of cars every week, like a sales target. Even the many owners of such garages car sit in workshops for 5 days every week to come out and play 1 day as a show car doing top climbs and defying gravity at extreme angles. @Josh S read your owner's manual, which will help you not let your head explode. https://www.jeep.com.eg/content/dam/jeep/eg/other-pdfs/owners-manual/Jeep_Wrangler_Owners_Manual.pdf Page 234

@PAJERO petelczyc luke next time please use a smaller flag - it's super hard to capture your car in full without cutting it out

Such a memorable day for me. This was really next level fun (and challenge). Thank you @Asif Hussain for the superb lead and the rest of the team for the help and guidance (special mention to @PAJERO petelczyc luke who got me out of trouble more than a couple of times :)). Thanks to our photographer @Marek_was003 - can’t wait to see those pictures mate !

To reiterate what Fred says, driving on 4L for extended periods of time at high speeds around 60-70 kmph is definitely not advised from a car manufacturer itself. If you regularly drive at 4H, you will learn how to build the momentum to scale any level of dunes. It will be a different driving style compared to the guys driving at 4L but there is nothing that you can't achieve in 4H compared to 4L. If anything your planning and dune approach will be far better if you practice in 4H. Plus the clubs that strongly recommend driving in 4L are backed by garages that are more interested in repairing the car that you have damaged.

@Archibald Jurdi, @Tareq Al Turq, @Charbel, @Mahmoud Taha Thank you all for joining and showing up for the drive. I can't fall asleep on the drive days, same thing happened this morning, when I went to bed at about 2 am and I set up an alarm for 5:30 am. I kept on snoozing it unknowingly in deep sleep till 6:15 when I actually woke up. So I kind of arrived half hour late to the drive. We started the drive at 7:23 instead of 7:00 am as planned. We however did drive for about 3 hours and for about 76 km, with a moving speed of above 25km. Had a lot of fun at the tall dunes of Faqa'a but need to figure out a better way of reaching them next time as the current track is full of bushes.

Hi All, My brain is about to explode regarding the 4H and 4L debate. Two of the clubs I drive with (Carnity one of them) swear by 4H, and the other two swear by 4L. Specifically, the senior Marshalls (200+ drives) on these other drives state that whilst 4H is absolutely fine for junior/newbie drives, once you get onto much more challenging dunes, 4H will struggle to get up the steep soft dunes, and the 4L extra torque is really important when you need to correct yourself, as you need instant torque. Ultimately, by all means drive in 4L but you may just keep having to re attempt obstacles. As it so happens I have a wrangler rubicon where the transfer case isn’t really geared right to get any speed, however I drove in 4L today and it was absolutely fine in 4-6th gear. Why are there strong advocates for either. If one technique was right and the other one way was wrong, this argument would never exist. I’m an indecisive individual at the best of times so this really isn’t helping. Are there any Carnity drivers that swear by 4L?. Why wouldn’t you drive in 4L? It offers more torque to the wheels which is surely what you want…

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Hello Gaurav, Gladiator "Sand Runner" was electronically re-programmed to allow to drive with engaged diff-lock on the speed up to 90 km/h on 4H. In 4L it have more or less same limitation like any other Jeep. JL or JT can definitely run faster in 4L than any other offroad cars, thanks to 8 speed automatic transmission. Rubicon except 392 usually slower due to high gear ratio of the transfer case. All other trims like Sport, Sahara, Mojave, Sand Runner and Rubicon 392 sharing same 2.71:1 transfer case gear ratio, which is giving you enough high speed even in 4L with 8 speed automatic transmission.

This 2023 owner's manual explains the logic to some extent: 3-4 times the engine speed in Low gearing. Page 143 https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/servicemanuals/jeep/2023-wrangler.pdf

I know some of our Carnity friends who broke their JL transmission for their love to do extreme drives in 4L with other clubs..😃

Thank you @Simon D for a great drive yesterday morning. The drive was well prepared, and nicely executed.the first portion from Tawi Nizwa, out of the beaten tracks was really enjoyable for a start, and the pace was perfect for a warm up for the whole convoy. Higher dunes were tempting, but the soft sand made it difficult for the back of the convoy and you reasonably decided to turn back in direction to Pink Rock. Despite the cross tracks we could enjoy a few high climbs, well executed by everyone in the convoy, according to the capabilities of their cars. During the break we noticed one man waving at us close to his car. We reached him with @Simon D. It was a lonely unexperimented driver, who tried to follow our convoy for a few dunes…. And got crested. After a quick pull, and some recommendations, we put him back on an easy track and could continue the drive. Simon took us across the Pink Rock and we were going up and down on the back side when the second incident occurred. A motorised paraglider came quite low over us and was intending to cross the mountain when it missed the summit ridge by a few meters and hit the ground. Simon took @Mahmut as passenger and could reach him first. @Robk was already halfway and courageously continued to climb by foot. I reached them immediately after. We checked on the guy who appeared to be globally ok, apart from a pain in the knee and ankle on one leg. He could stand so carefully we helped him to Simon's car to bring him down. Mahmut helped folding the wing and put it in my car, and we were left with the propeller, big thing weighting 30 kg, to be kept upwards to avoid leaking fuel. Luckily Rob's Gladiator was already half way in the slope. We carried the propeller down to the truck and strapped it at the back. The guy was still doing ok, and wanted to reach his car parked in Badayer, so we decided to keep him with us, and Simon adjusted his planned route accordingly. The rest of the drive was a nice stroll through the dunes, quietly reaching the big dune behind Big Red where we started to climb until the convoy got scattered between two soft bowls with other convoys crossing around. @Simon D skilfully put the convoy back in order, and we reached the exit close to Big Red. Excellent lead and management of the convoy from @Simon D, congratulations! @Mahmut well done through the drive. You struggled crossing some slip faces but it will improve as you get sync with your car. @Feras_Sh well managed also. The Pajero was under powered compared to the rest of the convoy and you had 2 passengers, but you did your best, and went through most challenges. @Robk well done with the Gladiator. You have good control of your car, continue to enjoy ! @Ben Lee no issue at all, the Jeep went easily through the dunes and climbs. Unfortunately considering the different situations, you did not have the opportunity to take all the challenges, it will be for next time. @Ranjan Das, great support in guiding other cars when need, alway a pleasure to have you in the convoy. Thank you all for the great support and participation in the different recoveries of this eventful drive !

Thank you @Mahmut @Robk @Ben Lee @Feras_Sh @Ranjan Das for Joining the drive yesterday . Shortly after the briefing and the warm up we slowly practiced the proper criss crossing , ridge ridding and side slopping techniques afterwards we moved into some larger and softer dunes afterwards moving forward towards the the pink Rock . We had an unfortunate incidence that a paraglider slammed into the top of the pink rock as we were very close to him we had to move in and assist him thank fully he seemed lucky not to have a major injury . I am sorry for the time i had to keep you waiting till we go him down the dune. Also, special thanks to @Robk for volunteering to put the pilot and the machine in his car . also thanks to @Ranjan Dasfor supporting and sweeping the convoy. finally a warmly thank you to @JeromeFJ for making this drive possible I hope you all enjoyed the drive and looking forward to see you on the next one soon

Sorry, can’t make it. Sorry about last minute notice.

I might be running a bit late. I have been snoozing 2 alarms for last 45 mins. Just got up, and rushing.

Hey @Looper was looking forward to this one but unfortunately will not be able to make it as I'm not feeling good.