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I feel 10 mm is an overkill. @Emmanuel and @Asif Hussain what have you guys put?

Welcome to the COVID 19 "new normal" lifestyle with restrictions and precautions for everyone safety. Moving forward and respecting authorities guidance all desert drives will be done under strict control. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we are driving on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving just by sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Just like before we like to continue our desert drives through out the year, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. For members who are fasting, they can break their fast discreetly and convoy will be stopped during that time and until they offer their prayer. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (100m - 200m) inside the desert track. So, that you individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reach to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation Now, there will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 50-100 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Now Strictly no more sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advice by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Two Way Radio Guidelines Every Offroader brings his own radio, programmed to the frequencies described in below advice topic. We will not share spare radios or program your radio on the drive. If you need assistance in programming the radio, post a topic on the Carnity website with your questions and we will help you out. Make sure your radio is fully charged. It will be your only way of communication while driving. Before buying, please carefully read below advice so you are informed properly on which model / cost / shops... No radio = No drive. It is an essential tool and you should make sure you bring it on every drive and learn/practice how to use it. Drive Details Level: Fewbie and above - (No Newbie and No Absolute Newbie Allowed) When: 19 Jun 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 4:00 PM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Action Plan: Evening drive till about 08:00 PM Meeting Point: Tawi Nazwa Farm - https://goo.gl/maps/ME9rkXLNYiMwj5L78 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 08:00 PM End Point: 2nd Dec Cafeteria - https://goo.gl/maps/HmdMcdMKftaN9VVS8 P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 15 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 2 Senior Members + 12 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

Mine is 8 mm, which is enough IMO. Of course it should come with a bracket to protect the radiator.

@Anish S @Janarthan you can add further comments on radios in this topic.

Definitely I will tell you as I am not sure if we are supposed to discuss garage names here. @Srikumar I was under the impression that anything 6 mm or more was better and hence got then fixed as I felt they were pretty solid to take the brunt as the radiator was very low in xterra. Awaiting opinions from other xterra owners here , which will help others who are planning to put a skid plate on their xterra.

Looking great @Chaitanya D, honestly i have been checking with so many garages and the least i could get is 1100 aed. It would be great if you can let me know where i can get a similar plate.

Actually it was bit confusing as I have clicked on event details instead of actual Covid-19 guidelines where there was a caption says Covid-19, anyways I have clicked wherever possible to agree on covid-19 guidelines. Hope its taken care

That's not a Range Rover, that's a LR3 with a fancier bodyshell. Commonly known as the Range Rover Sport.

Thanks everyone for your cooperation. Convoy will be published tomorrow. We have 2 on the waiting list so if anyone will not be able to attend please RSVP and let us know as that will open up a space for them. It would be a real shame to have an open space when there is so much demand at the moment. Thanks

@Janarthan I have put a similar skid plate 10 mm and it feels solid. Different garages charge between 800 to 1000 max. So check with other garages or fabricators who can do it at a good price for you.

Hi @Gaurav attached picture which is actually 10mm and quoting me 1100 including radiator bracket and installation. Is it worth it or something over priced.

6 or 8mm is ideal.

by the way we also have @Nivin who is an xterra owner in the club who will hopefully join us soon for our drives once his car is back from the garage.

no issues buddy, its done proper now, thanks

Mmm the XTerrians community is growing faster and faster in Carnity. Nice to hear. @Chaitanya D how was your first off-road drive with your new ride ?

In what thickness should I go for a skid plate in Xterra? Any recommendations on where I can get an aluminum ones?

Soon action cam, cameras and mobile companies will launch GCC specs too.

As we have been respecting authorities guidance & Carnity COVID guidelines to resume desert drives with caution by keeping social distance and wearing mask at all times outside the vehicle Unfortunately few off-roaders have difficulty in understanding and abiding these guidelines. As published in the national newspaper of UAE, everyone need to understand that still there are no gatherings allowed and authorities are issuing fine for 10,000 AED for host and 5,000 AED for attendees. https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/people-caught-violating-covid-19-safety-instructions-prosecuted-1.1591381059748 If you spot anyone stepping out of the car not wearing a mask, please remind them on the radio immediately. As we all are in this together, so we all have to help each other to remind. Failing to abide below list of restriction will result in an immediate ban from Carnity Off-road Club: FIRST WARNING Minimum 1 month ban from joining any Carnity off-road Club drives. Written warning will be issued on your Carnity profile. SECOND WARNING Minimum 6 month ban from joining any Carnity off-road Club drives. Written warning will be issued on your Carnity profile. If you do not like these restrictions, please stay at home and do not join for any off-road drives. Every Carnity Off-road Club Member has to COMPLY WITH THESE COVID19 GUIDELINES FACE MASK IS MANDATORY, WHENEVER YOU STEP OUT - NO EXCUSES. LEARN TO CONFIGURE YOUR RADIO, before the drive. Nobody will teach you or exchange radios like before. Read the detailed instructions posted here - to configure. If you still cannot configure, ask on forum ahead of time. Click "TOTALLY AGREE" Emoji here before RSVP any drive or else trip lead will remove your name.

Welcome to the COVID 19 "new normal" lifestyle with restrictions and precautions for everyone's safety. Moving forward and respecting guidance from the authorities all desert drives will be done under strict control. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we drive on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Maintaining social distancing is a strict requirement. We want to continue our desert drives throughout the year as we were able before this COVID crisis, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (200m - 300m) inside the desert track. Please take a good note of the meeting point so you do not join the wrong convoy. The meeting point is inside. Everyone should individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point so that there are no problems as the meeting pointis further inside than usual. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction Just because you have clicked ‘Totally Agree’ for previous drives it does not apply to this drive and needs to be clicked again. Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reach to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation Now, there will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 50-100 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Now Strictly no more sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advice by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Drive Details Level: Fewbie and above only When: 19 June 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Action Plan: Morning drive till about 10:00 AM Meeting Point: Mahafiz 200m further in from the Tree Shade – https://goo.gl/maps/bK3mMyn53rzufpwM8 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. WE WILL END THIS DRIVE ONTO TARMAC. COMPRESSOR COMPULSORY. PLEASE DO NOT SIGN UP IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COMPRESSOR. WE CANNOT SHARE EQUIPMENT IN THIS COVID PERIOD. Approximate finish time: 10:00 AM End Point: https://goo.gl/maps/wfUKMWBWB2yViU6C9 LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 12 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 1 Senior Member + 10 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

Defenders were very good right up until 1997 because that was the last year they offered a proper petrol V8 engine. After that all Defenders switched to a pathetic 4cyl diesel engine out of a Ford Transit Van.ater they went to a turbo diesel 5cyl known as TD5 and then again a turbo charged 4 cylinder diesel. Also they were priced like luxury SUVs. The last old school Defender fully loaded one was around 300,000dhs. And you basically get a farm truck from the 80s for that. The Defender didn't even change its dashboard until the mid 80s Most of the love affair with Defenders is from old British farmers and country folk, Just the same as the Texas ranch owner loves his Ford F150 pickup. Also since the Defender almost literally stayed unchanged most of it is basically nostalgia. Because they grew up with the same car and basically the same car was still available. Off road wise it is or was pretty capable. By that I mean the European version of off roading with it's anemic diesel engine Which is basically mud plugging andd some rough country roads and a few river crossing. After it lost its V8 petrol engine it pretty much lost favour for desert and dune bashing type of off roadinf here in the GCC plus it being over priced. Although there still is a defender fan base who basically use it for soft roading and overlanding My favourite is the NAS spec D90 i.e 2dr short wheel base with an automatic transmission and a 4.0 distributorless petrol V8 other than that even for only off roading I would never even think of it. It looks cool no doubt but drives like shit and is extremely outdated. But would I buy a 1997 NAS Spec V8 for 100k plus No way. Not unless I was made of money and had it coming out of my ears. Save for the grumpy old luddites the Defender really needed to die because LR basically ignored it for 20 plus years while they concentrated on their other money makers. Even Mercedes didn't ignore their G Wagon and kept updating it as time went on and only last year for the first time it was made did a totally new car from the ground up but still keeping it's boxy shape. Which was it's key selling point and the other being the massive biturbo V8. But it still drove like an ox cart. But people overlooked that because it featured all the modern bells and whistles and that massive PowerPlant I mentioned earlier. The Defender literally had nothing going for it save for a small select group of grumpy old men who don't like change Defenders were very good right up until 1997 because that was the last year they offered a proper petrol V8 engine. After that all Defenders switched to a pathetic 4cyl diesel engine out of a Ford Transit Van.ater they went to a turbo diesel 5cyl known as TD5 and then again a turbo charged 4 cylinder diesel. Also they were priced like luxury SUVs. The last old school Defender fully loaded one was around 300,000dhs. And you basically get a farm truck from the 80s for that. The Defender didn't even change its dashboard until the mid 80s Most of the love affair with Defenders is from old British farmers and country folk, Just the same as the Texas ranch owner loves his Ford F150 pickup. Also since the Defender almost literally stayed unchanged most of it is basically nostalgia. Because they grew up with the same car and basically the same car was still available. Off road wise it is or was pretty capable. By that I mean the European version of off roading with it's anemic diesel engine Which is basically mud plugging andd some rough country roads and a few river crossing. After it lost its V8 petrol engine it pretty much lost favour for desert and dune bashing type of off roadinf here in the GCC plus it being over priced. Although there still is a defender fan base who basically use it for soft roading and overlanding My favourite is the NAS spec D90 i.e 2dr short wheel base with an automatic transmission and a 4.0 distributorless petrol V8 other than that even for only off roading I would never even think of it. It looks cool no doubt but drives like shit and is extremely outdated. But would I buy a 1997 NAS Spec V8 for 100k plus No way. Not unless I was made of money and had it coming out of my ears. Save for the grumpy old luddites the Defender really needed to die because LR basically ignored it for 20 plus years while they concentrated on their other money makers. Even Mercedes didn't ignore their G Wagon and kept updating it as time went on and only last year for the first time it was made did a totally new car from the ground up but still keeping it's boxy shape. Which was it's key selling point and the other being the massive biturbo V8. But it still drove like an ox cart. But people overlooked that because it featured all the modern bells and whistles and that massive PowerPlant I mentioned earlier. The Defender literally had nothing going for it save for a small select group of grumpy old men who don't like change

What do you mean? The new Defender? That's an awesome car.

Like I said this isn't a Range Rover. Just like the Evoque isn't a Range Rover neither is this. This is just Land Rover trying to cash in on the Range Rover name and heritage. And to their credit pretty successful in conning people into buying it thinking they were buying a Range Rover. It's really just a glorified LR3 The only thing it shares with the Range Rover is the AJV8 motor and nothing else.

I have confirmed..

Congrats @Shadab Khan

Hi @Shiju Manuel and @Colin Jordan Unfortnately at the moment as there are no drop-outs. If anything changes in the next day and a half and vehicels are allowed, we will let you know.

@siddharth maheshwari @Bashar Hafez @Magellan Please read and click on totally agree on the BAN topic, URGENTLY. Everyone has to comply, it's not optional.

If you are counting the number of xterra's in this club, then there is @Janarthan who has recently bought one.

Happy birthday @Jeepie !

many happy returns of the day @Jeepie 😃

Cant wait to see an Xterra majority convoy finally. Alright everyone by the way, I have quickly gone through the list of attendees for this drive who have not clicked the 'Totally Agree' button and I would urge you all to please do so as everyone needs to be on the same page with respect to acknowledging the covid 19 policies outlined for our safety and well being. @Najeeb Mohammed, @Febin Frederic, @Kalahari, @Mahmoud Hamzawy, @Jeffrey Osito Pilgreen please ensure you have clicked - "totally agree" prior to the drive.

will miss you this time @Martin.. Hope to see you soon.

You are correct @Desert Dweller. I had moved on to an xterra, but I'm going for a newbie drive in Al Qudra this week to test as well as to familiarize myself with the vehicle.

That’s true! Good observation. Emmanuel won’t be there so we’re missing Jawaher. I believe @Tbonealso got himself an Xterra, but I don’t know if he’s joining this drive.

Well done, congrats @Shadab Khan. Hope you and your family have happy and safe drive for years to come. And btw, I was busy whole day and wanted to reply that please dont be scare and too crazy about used cars in UAE as majority of them are good and in reasonably re-usable condition and not like your salt lake rotten cars. Take it easy, enjoy and i'm sure after few years you will have different experience of owning cars in UAE.

Congratulations @Shadab Khan. Happy and safe motoring. See you soon somewhere on the "hot" sand!

Congrats!!

UPDATE: I have now bought the car!! https://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/jeep/grand-cherokee/2020/6/10/aed1714month-2015-jeep-grand-cherokee-summ-2/ Settled for 80K. Ideally, I would have gotten something without air suspension and with two hooks attached etc, but we'll see how this one turns out! Acknowledgement: Literally all of you helped me get a car that I feel good about. You helped me calibrate my expectations, gave me a reality check, and offered your generous help and time. For that, a BIG THANK YOU (in no order): @sertac @Frederic @Rahimdad @Chaitanya D @Gaurav @desertdude @Brette I will update this thread once the car has gone through (in this order): 1) A mechanic for fault finding so I can get it fixed while I still have warranty 2) Off-road upgrades to be able to join newbie drives (still figuring this out)

i Am thinking of IBIS hotel near Dragon mart ,any suggestion for any thing more close

You are right this happened to my action cam last week. It was a pain to take it off and then cool it for sometime and then put it back

@Wrangeld i have just confirmed by clicking the right icon. Please confirm if i have done it right or anything else is required?

thanks for advise

Looks like a full house. Really great to see so much enthusiasm around to fill in the drive so quickly. @marks seems you are new to the group, please introduce yourself, the 4x4 you drive and your experience of driving in the desert. Hope you have gone through the video for the Absolute Newbie Briefing attached on my original thread. Thanks to @Brette and @Shiju Manuel for clicking on the Totally Agree smiley for both posts. I would like to request @Incognitoes, @marks and @andy_macdxb to please click on Totally Agree to the Ban from Carnity Thread as per link below. Also may I request @Incognitoes, @marks, @Yousef Alimadadi, @syed salman raza, @Jun Zamora, @luwaimn, @andy_macdxb, @Mehmet Volga, @Gregory Perkin, @George Francis and @Colin Jordan to click on Totally Agree smiley on the original drive thread. I will review the treads again by Wednesday afternoon and anybody who has not responded will be removed to make space for others interested in this drive.

@RohanH 8mm thick Aluminium will be good if you find it. 6mm thick is also fine if your vehicle don't have hanging radiator.

One of my friend warned me about the way i write this. Better if i explain what i meant. I said get rid of the car because of my past and current experience. I am loving old Jeeps and i am spending enormous amount of money to keep them on the road. I had 2000 Jeep Cherokee. It started with few issues, i fixed them, than month or week later another came, i fixed it. Than it became too much and mechanic told me it will came to the way after a point. I believed him, i wanted to believe because i really like the car. I ended up with a huge lost over the car worth. I literally spend more than car`s own worth. I sold it. Currently i am a proud owner of a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee again i spent more than car`s own worth and i know if i want to spend i will spend another 5000 easily for fixing small small issues. Why i am doing that. Because i was dreaming about these cars when i was younger and i am really attached to it. Any person having piece of mind will say i am stupid. I am also saying to all of my friends to do what i say, dont do what i do. Another samples. My mother have a X5 BMW. I am at least telling her once a week to sell it but she for that budget she cant get anything better and she is definitely not interested to buy a Japanese made car so she keeps it but it has a huge maintenance cost. My friend from the company had a BMW Z4 coupe. Very rare nice sports car. That was his dream car and he enjoyed it for a year or two with joy. Than car start giving problems. First we fixed, second we fixed than i told him to sell it. He choose to keep it, after that in a week car gave 3 different problem and 1 break on the road(car needed to be towed to the mechanic). At the end he sold it with a huge lost. So the reason i told you to get rid of the car is these experiences i had. I believe you made a mistake while you are buying this car, you probably didint inspect it properly, since it is fully agency maintained you bought it with thrust. If you specially love that car keep it like i do, i am sure there are good mechanics can fix it. But otherwise as others said it looks like around 15.000aed cost and no guarantee after you fix it other things may come one by one, than you may end up with a huge lost.

Reusing the thread to avoid duplication for the same details. As requested @Anish S got the MT777 for 140aed from below shop at dragon mart

Hi @Rahimdad, I gave your details to a friend who is looking for a flight for him and his family. I think he needs to go Trivandrum. Anyway he'll reach you.

Happy birthday dearest. Looking to piloting our TJ ship with you for many years to come.

Happy happy birthday @Jeepie 🎉