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Based on feedback I have from friends planning to buy cars - no car companies negotiating these days. Though one thing which worked for me - check with Western Motors AD and Al ain, they might have stock and at times prices are better too - though compare config properly as AD models have subtle changes compared to Dubai - for eg fabric seats instead of leather, even there were some diff in rims etc. Also, enquire on demo/management models - i and some more ppl at carnity got a zero Km demo model with some good discounts - was pre registered but never been on road. Every car store has some models registered for events and demos, need to press the button of sales guys to get to know about them. You will lose couple of months of warranty in worst case with these models. Though 254k isn’t a bad price check with off road zone and Jeepers as well for stock models. Maybe you get better color or better price or better delivery.

Congrats @Xavi Moyano

Congratulations @AlexM

Also, attached the configuration sheet😊 Wrangler Sport (4-Door) - Spec Sheet MY23.pdf

Hello Gentlemen, I visited Jeep Trading, they informed me that the Wrangler I was looking for was out of stock and wouldn't be available until mid-June; they confirmed that the warranty would not be void as long as the parts used are genuine and installed correctly, and that the lift kit height shall not exceed 2.5 inches because Jeep does not recommend higher kits for safety reasons. Since the Rubicon was not available, they cannot give an Offical quote, but these were the initial costs (attached the screenshot) - Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2023 ex-showroom price - AED 254900/- - Insurance - AED 7162/- - Paint protection Graphene - AED 3999/- - Warranty - 5 years - Roadside assistance- 5 years Ramadan offer : - Service maintenance- 3 years or 60000KM, whichever comes first - First year registration fee Any chance of negotiations here on the stock price? I didn’t haggle over the price as item wasn’t in the stock. Demand is also very high.

Congratulations dear.

Thanks all for RSVPing for the drive. We have a small and strong convoy, a perfect setup to enjoy the Faqa dunes - actually we have the complete Fellowship of the ring - just Boromir is fasting due to Ramadan and Mary and Pippin needed a break post Easter feast 😊. It’s going to be some nice fun time. Have a nice week ahead, I will update the details during the course of the week and looking forward to see you all on Saturday. @Juan R @Pieter Pot @Sunil Mathew @Tom V @Sebb @Glenn W

Awesome @Xavi Moyano🥳🥳 Congratulations!! Hope to join you soon in your drives 😎

¡Felicitaciones @Xavi Moyano 🎉🎉🎉!

Congratulations @Xavi Moyano, Enjoy your new level:)

well done @Xavi Moyano!!

Congratulations and well done @Xavi Moyano Enjoy the new Level

Jeeper edition is more of a "bigger and better" approach to oversize all things at once. Those wranglers do look good but sadly most of them only look good on road. On the sand, they do not perform better. Simply put, putting extra big beefy tires is counter-productive for sand dune climb and will restrict any car climbing capabilities. I haven't seen a single Jeep with a 35 or 37-inch tire climbing Faya from the front, but I did see every stock Wrangler scaling Faya easily. They do this as it "looks" good and people are happy to spend 10-100K on various packages and configs for the aesthetics without knowing what really works in sand. The choice is completely yours if you wanna buy a Jeep to flash around the city and neighbor = Jeepers. If you wanna offroad and build it slowly as per really required mods = stock. I would spend my money to get top trim Rubicon with all three diff-lock or Sand Runner (if you like pickup style) and then drive for 5-10 drives to understand the vehicle dynamics before modifying.

When you buy Jeepers Edition you lose your choice of parts if it is a pure pre-built, but you can preconfigure the stuff you want and order the configuration. Either way you are buying many upgrades you might not need. Another thing to consider is that you are paying for all the upgrades upfront, while it will be cheaper if you are sure about getting those upgrades and you want them. but if you are not sure then that is a current cashflow that you can spread over many many months even years. My guess is that they buy Jeeps at bulk and at a wholesale price so the overall vehicle with the upgrades will be cheaper compared to the sum of parts if you are going to buy them on your own. But if the off-roading bug has not bitten you, then consider carefully if you want all that stuff. Jeepers Edition will definitely work for you if you are looking to buy a beefy & juiced up desert ready Jeep, nothing much to bother about anymore. Having said that if you are asking here then... maybe, you are not sure, and in that case, I would again suggest that you go for Jeep directly and then make the modifications as you progress over the months based on what works for you. I won't recommend Jeepers for first-time buyers & if you are new to the off-roading community. In Carnity, we respect and value the essence of stock cars and the skill that is needed to drive them. We try not to break any car because safety is the prime objective here. A Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is more than just "good enough" for most to reach Intermediate Level in this club before you want to do any upgrades. The emphasis is on want and not need. All that you need is the basic recovery stuff, and you are good to go for years to do weekly drives.

Congratulations @AlexM for reaching the Intermediate Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. INTERMEDIATE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie Plus drives are required within last 6 months for Intermediate promotion. What you'll learn Basic GPS and navigational skills Basic tow rope and winch recoveries Extreme side sloping and long hill climb Tall dunes ridge riding and criss crossing Precise control over technical dunes Fast pace desert driving Clear radio communication skills Advance recovery skills Self recover from dune crest Soft sand recovery Pop-out fixing Skills required Adventurous and thrill seeker but in a safe manner Level headed under stressful situations Responsible, dependable and accountable Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS. Drive teamwork Manage center forward position with Trip Lead’s permission Learn/assist recoveries under Trip Lead’s supervision Re-route convoy and coordination, when needed Learn to lead small portion of Intermediate drive under Marshal supervision Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie, Intermediate and Exploration drives only Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Andrei S for reaching the Fewbie Plus Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE PLUS Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie drives are required within last 6 months for Fewbie Plus promotion. What you'll learn Advance dune and sand reading Advance recovery techniques Rocking and crawling to make path Learn to flatten/compact soft sand patch Self recovery from crest Advance side sloping and long hill climb Advance ridge riding and criss crossing Advance control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving FULLY control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Extremely attentive and focused while driving Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Bash plate and skid plate protected Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie and Fewbie Plus drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Xavi Moyano for reaching the Fewbie Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 5 Newbie drives are required within last 3 months for Fewbie promotion. What you'll learn Basic dune and sand reading Self-recovery techniques Shoveling at right place Crawling out of difficult situations Blip Blip - Coordinate steering and gas control Basic side sloping and hill climb Basic ridge riding and criss crossing Basic control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving Ability to manage stuck/refusals with radio Learn to control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Presence of mind and attention to detail Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie and Fewbie drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Andrei Son the promotion

@Vijaya Kumar Doppa Dubai dealers give 5 years warranty and Abu Dhabi dealer gives 3 years. But it does not mean you cannot extend your warranty. Its just a gimmick the dealers do. Other sellers like Offroadzone and Jeepers source their vehicles from Abu Dhabi hence you will get a 3 year warranty but without service package. My suggestion is to do the comparison between both Dubai and Abu Dhabi dealers with price. May be Abu Dhabi dealer would be cheaper as they offer 3 years warranty and no service package. You can always extend the warranty and also take a service package after buying it. No dealers offers extra 2 years warranty and service package free of cost. They add it to the cost of the vehicle. Insurance do not take from the dealer as it is always higher. Take it from outside where you should save around 2k. With regards to the which model, Go for Rubicon as it has a stronger Axel compared to the sports and Sahara model hence you will not have to reinforce it. Plus bigger tires, Lifted by 1 inch and Aluminum bumper where you can fix fog lights later on. But finally depends if you would like to spend that amount. One point for you to remember is any modification you do for any part you lose the warranty for that part. Modification shops will convince you do stuff to your car which is not required and eventually will lift their hands if it is not covered under warranty. Your stock jeep is very capable without any modifications. Just buy a jeep and fix a flag and your ready to go. Good luck and Great choice.

@Varun Mehndirattamy pleasure see you on Saturday!

Welcome onboard @premindra rajaram long time we drove together, good to have you on drive. See you on Saturday, Now only Boromir is missing from the fellowship but then wasn’t he the one who tried to take the ring… no place for greed on this adventure, plus it’s My Precious 🤑🤑

Congrats @Andrei S

Hi @Vijaya Kumar Doppa it’s all up to you of which you go for, but I highly suggest looking into getting a stock rubicon mostly because you’ll have much more ground clearance compared to other trims and larger tyres, making it the most capable jeep model for off-roading however other trims are also very capable of tackling the desert and mountainous terrain. As for myself I have a 2018 jeep wrangler sport trim, for this same reason I decided to go ahead and modify my car with a 2.5inch lift and a front skid plate. Apart from that I’ve had to replace a stock rear bumper; everything else is stock. Personally I recommend you do anywhere between 10-15 drives to get to know your car before you decide to add modifications if you have gone to a stock model. However you’ll probably find you don’t need them whatsoever.

If the head gasket is/was leaking driver will surely feel the loss of power and misfire at idle.

I may have misspoke , don’t believe the head gasket went, shall know shortly. 2no gasket cylinder head covers, one of each bank. And a kit of seals to go in the covers. Lttle higher up in the engine for then the head gasket and seemingly a common item to leak as it ages. The covers are made of plastic too. Then we have the pcv valve as you replace at the same time.Then the crankshaft oil seal Followed by The timing chain gasket kit. Plus a some random other seals and a whole coolant refill as the front of the car and radiator came off to get access to the engine.

Well done @Andrei S, congratulations

Well done @AlexM, congratulations

As expected from pic, the crank seal was a probable bet, but wondering why Head Gasket is leaking. A head gasket leak is definitely not a good sign for the overall longevity of the engine. Has your car overheated to the max and were you still kept pushing?

Well done @Xavi Moyano, congratulations.

Well deserved, @Andrei S!

Hi all, What a fantastic drive yesterday! Thanks to @Frederic for the detailed planning and leading us on the epic 150km journey via the desert to Sweihan! Thanks to @Looper and @Zed for the support to the convoy and well done to the rest of the convoy, everyone drove excellently! looking forward to seeing you all on the sand again soon!

Thanks Gaurav! Thanks everyone! looking forward to exploring new horizons! wroom wroom! 😀

Congrats @Andrei S! Enjoy the new level😎

Congrats @AlexM , am sure you are looking forward to first drive in this level;)

Pozdravlayu @Andrei S. Well done and deservwd.

Congratulations and well done @Andrei S enjoy the new level

Congratulations and well done @AlexM Enjoy the new level

Congrats @Andrei S !!

Well done @AlexM !!

Well deserved @Andrei S !!

New driver. Waiting for first Newbie drive so I can join. Maybe ill let s more experienced person drive the car and check it out for me. Could be the way im driving!

A question would Be to know if you are a new/old Jeep driver and are you driving a JL for the first time. normally a new car computer will take some time on the new driving conditions. Apart from that climbing tall dunes will take skill full utilisation of triptronic gear shifting and acceleration that You will learn it over time.

YOLO, if you are into getting a car with 35 inch tires more than anything, just do it. We would advise more from our point of view, but ultimately your decision lies on what you desire. You don’t want to have a buyers remorse as soon as you get your car. Because you have to live with it for years perhaps.

Hi @Vijaya Kumar Doppa I checked with TE on mopar lift kit few months back, it wasn’t affecting the warranty. I didn’t pursue the upgrade eventually though. Since you are buying new, I would suggest to get it confirmed and if possible have it in writing before making the decision. It’s always tricky on warranty. Just to highlight, I understand the aesthetic part that a lift brings in for Jeep, however, it’s still a functional upgrade which will affect both your onroad and off-road experience. So evaluate this change judiciously. Also if this is the main upgrade presently in mind, would recommend to check Off-road zone as well in addition to Jeepers and TE, might find a good deal. Again as mentioned already by all and my personal experience, stock jeep can do it all, especially Rubicon has no limits. Any functional mods you will do will affect the base geometry and dynamics of car for good or bad - so aesthetic apart do consider all elements.

@Varun Mehndiratta thanks! I'm not sure what modifications or detailing I want to make in the future. Still, I'm certain I like the aesthetics of the upgraded Jeep Rubicon, so I might at least get 35-inch tires and spacers to make it look more comprehensive, as well as a 2.5-3.5 inch lift and electronic steel side steps. Do these simple modifications void the warranty? If so, I should also check out the Jeepers edition to see their configuration and learn more about their warranty policy for the modifications.

A topic on which I spent at least 6 months before going ahead with TE, stock model. A brief review - First come first both Jeepers and TE are registered with FCA so vehicle as base are reliable and no tricks in general expected from either. Specialization of both is diff - Jeepers though sells stock as well, main business for them is mods. TE main business is selling stock cars, mods for them is additional revenue stream not main. Stock vs stock - I always found Jeepers being bit more expensive on comparing stock Jeep from TE. Offers at TE were always better. However, Jeepers uses much more broader brands on modification while TE uses only Mopar. So in case one later decides to do mods - options to modify will be broader with Jeepers with some better flexibility on warranty (ofcourse only if modified by Jeepers). For eg some after market mods on stock from TE might void warranty. However since Jeepers in any case wants to do mod, i understand they provide better warranty coverage despite mods. This is important element especially for those who are clear they will go ahead with Mods. Ensure you check this before taking the call. Mods/Mods - If planning to go for Mod from day 1 and don’t want to go through the process of selection of mods by yourself, Jeepers might be a better option - broader optioms, a store that specializes in mods is surely better than one that mainly is a stock seller. Surely this value add from Jeepers come at a cost but then that’s the value add of going through a specialist. I agree with comments above that Off road zone and some others maybe even better options on functional mods. For cosmetic changes no one in AE beats Jeepers (at least I don’t know anyone). Beyond car price - you have registeration fees (<1000aed), mortgage registration in case planning and processing fees for loan. And ofcourse insurance.

I have heard some crazy stories about Jeepers. As Gaurav mentioned, they do look nice for onroad or mall crawling. I have seen cars from Offroad Zone being better customised for offroad. I have visited both shops and was more convinced by Offroad Zone. Rubicon seems to be the best option if you are not planning to spend more money on the upgrades.

The 2024 models year models have been just announced & I don’t think it will come by summer but perhaps late in the year. They are mid-cycle refresh to the models.

I appreciate your suggestions. I fully agree with you both @Looper@Gaurav; I will visit Jeep Trading soon to see their configuration, price, services, and warranty. Additionally, to check whether they have any promotions during Ramadan. I will keep you guys posted. Also, I've heard that this summer, 2023, Jeep will introduce an improved Wrangler. Still, I'm unsure when these upgraded Vehicles will be made available to UAE Customers? what would be the usual lead time after the launch? Should I buy the current Rubicon or wait for the new one? Any thoughts to share here? Happy Easter!

Its American made vehicle in GCC syndrome. Believe most of the JL ppl have been there and fixed that.