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https://carnity.com/gallery/category/1927-fewbie-liwa-yellow-truck-abu-dhabi-7-jan-2024/ full gallery. vb compresses the pics a lot, so the quality is not as good as I would want it - if you want higher res / less compressed version of any of these pics - send me @ on fromcarnity (at) msmdemo (dot) com Next time we need to make more of these: Or these: I could also point out that the newbie briefing should underline the importance of closing your windows during tricky situations like this @Joseph Raju I can only imagine amount of sand in your car after this approach!

Hi Islam, I appreciate the captivating drive you led us on. Initially, the sheer size of the dunes caught me off guard, particularly with passengers in my car. The drive was incredibly interesting for both me and my passengers, and everything went seamlessly. The choice of location was truly outstanding. A big thanks to you, Islam, for leading, and to Cha for the excellent support. It was unfortunate that @Bjoern had to leave the drive. Appreciate the support from the entire team.

it was a great dive , i enjoyed every bit of it .... thank you @Asif Hussain and the whole convoy for the great drive....

If you start to fishtail (drift) on a slope, it’s a sign that car wants to go down the slope… you need to let go of your throttle and correct your steering angle to regain control…this is what we expect all convoy members to practice at lower levels… once you become comfortable with your car and have gained valuable experience, you will observe that once the fishtail is corrected, we use throttle and steering control to keep riding on the slope to finish the maneuver… full throttle may only be required to reach a height on the dune… after that it’s all about control..

@PAJERO petelczyc luke next time please use a smaller flag - it's super hard to capture your car in full without cutting it out

@Josh S From what i see you have now completed a handful of drives, and i understand that you might seem confused about this topic. From a Carnity Club perspective there is a couple of reasons why we advise everyone to drive in 4H: 1. We cater to all sorts of different 4x4's. When going through most of the vehicle manuals we noticed it's clearly mentioned you should not drive it in 4L beyond 30km/h. Take note: this depends on the vehicle. A Jeep Wrangler JL can drive in 4L at higher speeds, but we have experienced plenty of issues over the years from people driving low gear for extended periods and the damaged they sustained (drive-line, axles, transfer case). (not necessarily JL models, just 4x4's in general) 2. During your learning experience, driving in 4H will give you a much better driving feedback and smoother approach to off-roading. Your vehicle has MORE than enough power to easily go through all the levels in our club. Our leads also drive in 4H (at least the ones i know ) 3. There are other clubs who drive on extreme levels and probably of them drive in 4L with heavy modified vehicles. If you are keen to drive on that level eventually, be prepared to send off your Jeep to the workshop EVERY week, and every time something breaks, that 200+drives senior marshal will tell you to modify it even further.... further down the rabbit-hole. Our Intermediate level drives are fast and thrilling, but you will notice that most of our leads achieve this with stock 4x4's (or minor mods). At the end of the day we want to go home safely and in one piece (the car as well). Pertaining to your specific case: * Rubicon has the 4:1 transfer case, so if i am not mistaken you'd have to be in 7th or 8th gear in 4L. Limited to 70km/h in 8th gear i think. @Zed might have the gear calculator handy. I would advise to stay in 4H for as long as you can and learn the art of offroading thoroughly first. After 50-60 drives you can start experimenting in various terrain and see if you find improvements. If you decide to drive on extreme/advance levels in the clubs where heavily modded cars with 4L are leading the pack, then you might gonna have to do the same. But in Carnity you'll never need it.

Thank you very much @Islam Soliman for the wonderful drive today and amazing area. Thanks for the support team and many thanks for the whole convey members. See you soon all,

@Islam Soliman thank you for an amazing drive today and can’t wait to drive again in Shuwaib. This area has become my # 1 fav and looking forward to more drives here.

This morning's drive, led by @Islam Soliman, promised an adrenaline-pumping adventure amidst the vast sandy expanse. However, the journey began on an unexpected note as @Bjoern faced issues early on (was it a pop out?), prompting an early departure. Soon after, @Gurcharan Mehta found himself stuck in a tricky spot, adding a touch of challenge to the already eventful drive. Even the reliable support team member @Cha experienced a popout, creating an air of uncertainty among the participants. As the obstacles piled up, there was a collective concern that the drive might be defined by stucks and popouts, making it seem like a less-than-ideal day. Yet, once the convoy pushed through the initial hurdles, the magic unfolded. The drive transformed into an exhilarating experience, with participants showcasing remarkable dune climbing skills. Despite the rocky start, the morning's desert dune drive turned out to be nothing short of superb. The undulating landscapes and the camaraderie among the participants created lasting memories, proving that sometimes the best adventures emerge from the most challenging beginnings. @Islam Soliman's leadership, coupled with @Cha's support, ensured that the drive transitioned from a rocky start to an awe-inspiring journey filled with triumphs over the desert's formidable terrain. @Issam Atra bro it has always been a pleasure seeing you. Great and Fantastic driving by @waqar , @Deepak Eswar, @Senthil Kumar and @Zulfikhar Naiyar. It was nothing short of spectacular. Thanks all for making a wonderful day.

@Zed - I was just about to start a Beadlock debate

was enjoying this debate while eating popcorn, and I thought when the Crews started giving their advice, this thread would have been finalized, but nooooo 😂 @Josh S the easy answer is if you're driving with Carnity Marshals, 99% you'll drive in 4H. Using @Looper's video here >> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz1suDgNlgq/ you can see the speed stats and he's driving around 50 km / h. Your 2021 Rubicon has the 4:1 Transfer Case Ratio ... Then the max speed is a quarter (1/4) of the max speed in 4H, assuming 160 km/h max in 4H, your 4L max speed is 40 km/h. Any more than that and you're redlining, overheating both your engine and possibly reducing transmission life. Now those other JL Sports have 2.7:1 Transfer Case Ratio, so in 4Lo their max speed is 1/2.7 which is 60 km/h. If they're following Looper in that video, they can drive in 4L and get away with it (although I'd postulate they can't drive too long without breaks). Yes you can run 55 mph (100 km/h) in 4Lo like video below >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEboJi5FhpE Look how "Torquey" the car is when in 4Low. The Marshals who drive in 4Lo usually have these characteristics: 1. They firmly believe the Owner's Manual only applies to Asphalt Traction. When they're driving in very loose traction like super soft sand, 4Low has more tolerances thus you can go higher than the manual says. 2. They have BeadLock Wheels, which are heavier and need more torque to turn than normal lighter stock wheels. 3. They have Heavier Tires, combined with BeadLock most probably 285s (33") or taller. Again, more torque needed to spin the tires. 4. They have 6-speed or 8-speed transmissions, so they can get away with 4Low + 8th Gear which is close to 4High + 1st Gear but more torque. 5. No Carnity Marshals have #1-3 above, so back to original quick rule: when driving with Carnity, use 4High

@Jassislahi the best advise is to post your questions on the forum, as the advise really depends on your previous experiences, what car you have and any modifications you have made etc. There are a lot of experienced members in the club that will be very happy to give you lots of advice and help.

Thanks all yes was a great drive, albeit the incident with the paraglider. @Simon D any update from your end on the health of Louay?

After absorbing detailed explanations, I'm compelled to share my own experience. Over three years of navigating my Pajero across various dunes in the UAE – from Lisaili's technical terrain to Sweihan's flowing dunes and the formidable Liwa. Never once did I switch to 4L for climbs; always in 4H, transitioning to 4H with a locked center diff in slow, technical, soft sands. As @Gaurav @Frederic rightly puts it, driving is about fun and adrenaline, and the choice between sheer power, skill, or a combination is yours. Different clubs may have different philosophies, but having tested various approaches, I've found serenity in what works for me and hopefully you shall too! @Josh S

Big thank you to @Asif Hussain it was an EPIC first drive for me as fewbie, the whole family and the dogs had a great time! It was a pleasure to drive with you all, special thanks to @PAJERO petelczyc luke for his great support a couple of times we got into trouble 😅 After the first few dunes I have to say I had almost shaking and sweaty hands 🤣. We really enjoyed descending the big dunes with the "singing sand" 👌 We can't wait for the next "exploration drive"!

To reiterate what Fred says, driving on 4L for extended periods of time at high speeds around 60-70 kmph is definitely not advised from a car manufacturer itself. If you regularly drive at 4H, you will learn how to build the momentum to scale any level of dunes. It will be a different driving style compared to the guys driving at 4L but there is nothing that you can't achieve in 4H compared to 4L. If anything your planning and dune approach will be far better if you practice in 4H. Plus the clubs that strongly recommend driving in 4L are backed by garages that are more interested in repairing the car that you have damaged.

Super drive @Looper thanks everyone.

Dear Dune Lovers, below is the pre drive brief. See you all soon Pre-drive details below: Be at the meeting point max by 7:00 and ready to move by 7:15 Please ensure your programable radio is on, fully charged and set to Channel 3 Quick briefing will be done on on the sand before we start moving Please ensure everything in the car is tied down and there are no moving objects Please check all car fluids, tow hooks, and ensure no hanging parts below the chassis. please ensure you come with a full tank (as much as possible) in addition to all necessary gear for this drive level. (NO FLAG or RADIO = NO DRIVE) MeetingPoint: https://goo.gl/maps/52SXdWvyFE6ntguh8 Convoy Order: