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Í really enjoy this trip... thanks for great lead from @Lorenzo Candelpergher @M.Seidam @Francois Germishuys. Despite some issue and obstacle we experienced, in overall it was great trip with variety of challenges. Look forward to join you all in another trip. Great to meet @Danish Mohammad@Lakshmi Narasimhan @Abdul Rahman AK @Ashok chaturvedi @varunmehndiratta@Abu Muhammad @Shehab Alawadhi, all of you shown awesome performance in this trip.

Dear friends It’s not my style not to leave a positive finger print after any drive. but after all what has been back fed already from all our fellow drivers and from our lead @Lorenzo Candelpergher from comments and clarification in an attempt to understand the dilemma of the split convoy I hope it became clear to every one what had actually happened . if I am pointing a finger of blame on some one then it’s me and no one else. I have been appointed this responsibility to support and advice the lead as well as all the participants to ensure they enjoy it safely. in my opinion the spark ignited a chain reaction from the moment I said we can move in acknowledgment to the lead while @varunmehndiratta vehicle was on my left side without realising that he was not in his car and the rest you know . you never know the thing unless you are doing it from your heart , leading a convoy in the desert is ain’t an easy job and from our duty is to help ease his/ her stress by keeping the flow fluid and smooth to the best we can ( I am not talking about stuck and refusals ) by effective and clear two way communication with acknowledgment always. I loved the drive and I enjoyed every bit of it even when I was “ lost in the middle of no where “ 🤣 I knew it was for a reason to understand it and learned it better than ever. I would like to thank you Lorenzo @Lorenzo Candelpergherfor your fantastic lead , patience tolerance and sporty spirit .love being in your drives . also to all of you guys no matter what happens we remain friends and the smooth small golden particles always unite us intact . special mention to @Danish Mohammadwho proved to be courageous and better driver despite your stuck/ pop out at the end . Also @Lakshmi Narasimhan I got the chance to drive behind you twice in a week time in the same drive level with the same lead style so if you allow me to comment it .it’s far better despite a stuck and couple refusals that you didn’t struggle much to clear it . We all need practice from time to time to ultra fine it for a better glide 😉 @Ranjan Das I don’t know why I keep thinking of Lorenzo when I see your new rubicon . Something mysterious about this rubicon , your crest was awesome in the beginning you did very well buddy . @Abdul Rahman AK it was pleasure meeting you for the second time hope your wheel issue is sorted out . I guess till you existed you were fine apart from a minor refusal . @Ashok chaturvedi I was in front of you driving so the 🎤 I hand it to you to comment on mine , however my rare mirror gave me your best ever reflection 👍 sad to learn you are leaving 😔 for the rest of the back guys @varunmehndiratta@Shehab Alawadhi @Dodi Syahdar @Abu Muhammad @Francois Germishuys i guess you all had your fare share of fun . take care all and see you soon inshallah

So, it's turning into a bit of Raptor convention on Thursday. Fortuntely, The FORD (Father of Raptor Drivers) is within our midst and on the drive. What this means in practice is that our focus will be more about fluid movement through, up and over the dunes. There should be opportunities a plenty for anyone wanting to let the horses go free. I will also be looking for some nice criss-cross and cross over opportunities through the drive as this is a ket skill that anyone looking for move from Fewbie to Fewbie Plus must have in their drive armoury. See you soon in the sand.

Dear @Lorenzo Candelpergher thanks for this amazing drive with full of fun and lot of learning. Really love the way of your teaching and salute on your patience level. Also Thanks to our support team @Abdul Rahman AK @M.Seidam and @Francois Germishuys for your guidance and help. Appreciate the way of understanding and help provide by @Lorenzo Candelpergher @M.Seidam @Ranjan Das & @Lakshmi Narasimhan during my pop-out to get it fix very quickly. Everyone in this Convoy was very supportive and always ready to help each other .Thanks to @Ashok chaturvedi @varunmehndiratta @Shehab Alawadhi @Dodi Syahdar @Abu Muhammad for your kindness and patience during refusals, stuck & pop-out in this hot weather. FYI... Some beautiful pictures added in gallery Stay safe... See you in next drive

Same here, I wish I could have continued... on a very comic note 😂: missed out the most mysterious things happened later on this drive... which finally is resolved with your clarifications and acceptance of the blame... ✌️😜 Hope to see you again!

show the court the above and hopeful any house arrest is prevented!

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Hi @salah2u, you have registered correctly. If you click on the event itself, you will see your name icon "S" in the going list. Kindly introduce yourself with the following information below, that will help the marshal @Wrangeld in preparing his convoy: 1) Which 4x4 are you driving ? 2) Any prior offroading Experience ? If so where and when ? 3) Does your vehicle have towpoints in the front and back and are they in good condition ? Thanks !

Will do. #6

Hi @Wrangeldplease wait-list me for second drive

A big Shout-Out to all our offroad club members from across the globe 🌍 Congratulations on reaching a new milestone of having over 50+ Nationalities Offroaders in Carnity Offroad Club. One of the very few off-road clubs in UAE that welcomes and appreciates multicultural members. At Carnity Offroad Club, we drive united as a truly multicultural family, bringing with us our thoughts, experiences and share interesting knowledge with our ever-expanding Carnity family. We pride ourselves at speaking different languages, having different views on our car knowledge and Off roading, but drive in Unity as it is the - way of life in true Dubai, UAE style. So come and join our Carnity Offroad Club and add your own special flavour to enhance UAE’s ever-popular Offroad experience. Below is the list of the various nationalities. In some nationalities even though there might be more within our group, we have mentioned only max 3 people. If we have missed out any nationality, please let us know and we shall update this list. 56 and counting - as of Jan 2023 Afghanistan: Ali Abbas Ali, Abu Muhammad Argentina - Martin, Miguel Ibarbia Armenia - Yerem Davtyan Australia - Jessica Lambert Bangladesh - Jalil Belgium - Frederic, Vanessa8580 Brazil - Jorge Stepniak Felippe, Daniel Noguira, Daniel Rodas Canada - Adam Marston, Brett Eicher, Mike M. China - Zixuan Hang (Charlie) Denmark - Soren, Frederik Bisbjerg Egypt - Melenany, Mark Sorial, Nabil Bishara El Salvador - Mario Cornejo Ethopia - Beide Worku Finland - Matti Brockman, Tero Vallas France - Emmanuel, Frederic Demolder, JeromeFJ Germany - Ace1988 Greece - Stav Hungary - Tamas Hoffmann, Archibald Jurdi India - Srikumar, Asif Hussain, Gaurav, Ranjan, Indonesia - Zed, IMAMP Iraq - Aus Alzubaidi Iran - Yousef Alimadadi Ireland - Barry Italy - Magellan, Ale Valecchi, Lorenzo Candelpergher, Enrico Biscaro Jordan - BIG T, G.Huz Kuwait - Azam V2.0 Lebanon - Edouard Malaysia - E.C Tan, Anthony Tan, Topgear Mauritius - AnishS, Veedooshee, Imteeaz Mexico - Javier M Moldova - Alexanderrr Morocco - Jamy B Netherlands - Panda82, Xaf, Jeepie, Mels Wolf, New Zealand - Warren Flay Pakistan - Rahimdad, Bilal Ahmad, Atif Palestine - Mohamed Seidam The Philippines - Jun Zamora, Rinelle Sanaani, Kaile Barrameda Poland - Szymon Stankiewicz, Piotr Kolodziej Romania - Arman Russia - Mikhail Lukichev Scotland - Foxtrot Oscar Serbia - Marko Todorovic, Predrag Acimovic Slovakia - Jaro Tuzinsky Singapore - Jerry Han Spain - Vsmano, Nacho, Jose Martin, Sri Lanka - Rizwanm2, Athula and Yasas South Africa - Kalahari, Gertjan, Paul Zietsman Sweden - Per A, M.K, Christian Andras Switzerland - dberclaz Syria - Noor, Basil Turkey - Sertac, Halit Mert Issever, Denizzalbayrak, Mehmet Volga Ukraine - YevgeniyDYM United Kingdom - Richard Melish, LewisCocks90, Wrangled, Tom B. United States of America - Jeffrey Osito Pilgreen United Arab Emirates - Shehab Alawadhi Venezuela - Alexander Alcala

@Gaurav I used Alsadeem Observatory’s Instagram update - they are Abu Dhabi based and as you noted, have used date and times to match our region. That said the gurus above may have differing sources however I would consider AlSadeem a trusted one for UAE!

Thank you Hisham. Excited to be part of the team ! Regards, Mohamad

Hi, 1- I’m got patrol y62, factory platinum edition 2- I have some driving experience in other gulf countries 3- it’s got standard factory front and rear hooks for recovery, I got compressor and towing ropes too. regards,

Hello, 1. I will be driving a Nissan patrol 2014, modified for off road. 2. I have been to Alfaya and red hill this year on a few occasions. 3. Yes my car is well equiped with tow points front and back Thank you and regards, Mohamad

It’s the media link posted on dive post https://www.travelawaits.com/2683734/perseid-meteor-shower-august-2021/ 1st paragraph!!!

salah2u @salah2u Mahesh Khatry @Mahesh Khatry Mohamad Anwer @Mohamad Anwer Thanks for signing up for the drive on Friday. please share with us your answers to the questions above.

My attendance confirmed too

Any views on the relative merits or otherwise of smaller wheel rims on the Pajero. I'm currently running 17", but see other cars with 16". It's visually less appealing to me, but if there is a real advantage to smaller rims (possibly = more tyre surface on the sand as tyre wall will be higher) I will consider swapping out my current rims.

Hi @Frederic seems the team is all prepped up… was just going through the news link and it says that the peak is between 11th august night to 12th morning…the drive is planned for 12th night… 24 hours later to the expected peak in showers…. Is this how it’s planned or m I missing something… I am curious as I plan to go out to watch this event with family and want to make sure that I don’t end up getting house arrest for picking the wrong day!

HI, I have joined the club today, and trying to navigate through the event, please book me in. and also advise how shall this be booked, as I am unable to find any tab which say attend etc.. Kind Regards,

Just one more? Let’s get recruiting… 😎

Great call @Tboneand @Gaurav Our basement parking is dim as hell so I didnt notice at all anyways got new shoes! The view before the tug though

Damn! My wife was right. She actually told me, during the last recovery. Do you think his tires are OK? They seem a bit flat inside...Poor me now when I show her these pictures after I said NO WAY!

I increased the width of my XJ's tyre from stock 235 mm to 268 mm (31 inch x 10.5 x 15) on the same rim width of 7.5 inch. That has also ensured that I have not had a single popout in 3 years, even when driving on very low pressures as well as hitting some nasty bumps. But unlike in the Xterra where you have not had inner fender rubbing issues by increasing the tyre width, in the Pajero you will most definitely have rubbing issues with stock rims unless you upgrade to deep dish rims or put in spacers. And I concur with Fred, that the benefit of upsizing from 265 to 275 is negligible compared to the headaches involved.

Sorry for the same. hope your wife will be fine, and recover soon Might be second choise @Wrangeld, but will be the first drive in the weekend. All other drives will be next day Friday

wishing your wife a speedy recovery. take care.

Just wanted to revisit this discussion - i currently have 265/70/16 (highway tyres) on my pajero and want to upgrade to geolander AT tyres with R16 - i have 2 choices as per yokohama dealership 1) 265/70/16 - AT (my current tyre size) 2) 275/70/16 - AT Just wanted to get ur views on which one to choose and which one would help in the sand, pop outs etc. 275 would give it more width but not sure how that would help in the sands

Sorry to read that. Thanks for thinking about the rest of us.

@Wrangeldmy wife tested positive, I will have to drop from the drive.

Hi @Kailas had missed that being extended weekend Thursday is also counted as weekend. Have exited from this drive plz wait-list me for 2nd drive.

Let me join the party. Forget the FJs, Xterras, JK, JL, JLU... get a XJ, the ultimate offroader...

@Kalahari thanks for your feedback on the issue. Yeah definitely later in the year, need a break and got some business to sort out. Take care.

WL 2nd drive please

Hi @Francois Germishuys, I also did not catch the joke or the ranking part - thought if was just me 😁 Hope to see you soon back in the sandpit mate.

Dear @Francois Germishuys, the one on your flag was a joke.. I guess you didn't get it.. 😂😂. Usually all those who have a falling flag ask for permission to remove it, whereas you asked for permission to fix it.. So I made a joke saying you "ignored" my instructions to just put the flag away, concluding that it was anyway better to be safe than sorry and you had it fixed in no time.. I see no reason for you to get upset! Keeping the flag up can only be commended. Regarding my comments about the sweeping position, I have no reason not to believe, as you say, that you plainly had no chance to realize we had lost two cars. @varunmehndiratta's explanation further supports it. This is not the point, however, and you seem to have missed the context of my comments, which were meant to address the overall issue that I keep on seeing in recent Intermediate Drives among big dunes, ie the fact that, when someone in some mid-convoy position has a stuck or a refusal during a climb, convoy order keeps on being lost beyond reason, with chaos as a consequence: cars from behind overtaking and continuing the climb, with no or delayed announcing of the problem or simply ignoring it. This leads to split convoys, lost tracks, etc, exactly the same dynamics we witnessed today. I invite you to read my comment again and to realize that it wasn't written as a specific critique to YOU as such, but as a general comment about the problems that originate with poor convoy discipline and the fundamental function of sweeping in these circumstances. I was indeed taking today's case as an example to make my point: convoy discipline in the specific case was not followed, and the result was that two cars in trouble were left behind. Neither the car in front, ie @Lakshmi Narasimhan nor the car behind, ie @varunmehndirattarealized and announced the problem nor stopped to wait for the troubled cars to recover. In fact, @Lakshmi Narasimhanhad just climbed up behind my tail as I had come back to help him overcome the difficult spot. When I came back, before leading @Lakshmi Narasimhanup, I had made sure the convoy was all toghether, Sweep included. What happened next is that apparently @M.Seidam followed but had a refusal on his way up, circled around and reattempted multiple times, while the rest of the convoy, five cars, inexplicably, must have inadvertently climbed up along a different route, thus leaving the two cars behind with all five drivers not realising what had just happened. As improbable as it may sound, this may have happened and I don't question it. @varunmehndiratta is probably right when he says there was a bit of delay when the convoy restarted while he was on a bio break: I remember joking about it while circling around to check the situation. All of this, however, again proves the point that excessive distance, poor or no radio communication, no visual checks on the car behind and in front, overtaking or unintentional rerouting caused a split convoy. @Francois, you are right when you say nobody asked you to intervene. In fact you are an Extreme driver, not an Advisor and it was probably my mistake to even give you the responsibility to be Sweep, as supporting roles are meant to be for Advisors, who have been specifically selected and have experience in undertaking the role. Having said this, you did your part as Sweep today, communicating well and frequently whenever required. If you want me to be specific on a feedback about YOU today, I'll say that I felt you were often driving too far back behind @Abu Muhammad roaming around (a temptation that comes to all when in sweep), but I'll say also that you were often helpful and present, for which I even thanked you in my post (you must have missed that). In the past you have been always very open and vocal in sharing your comments and criticism (often quite direct, not to say harsh) towards your fellow drivers. I'd expect you to be equally open to receive some comments and potentially even criticism from the Drive Lead, as the purpose is never name shaming but always, and only, giving all participants opportunity to reflect on what happened and learn from it. I am sad to read you were upset by my comments, but I stand by them, even more now that I had the chance to explain better what they meant. I'm equally sad by your decision to leave Carnity and wish you best of luck and fun in your future Desert adventures.