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Many many happy returns of the day. HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARJAN @Jeepie have a blast and have a wonderful day and year ahead.

Soon action cam, cameras and mobile companies will launch GCC specs too.

Well done, congrats @Shadab Khan. Hope you and your family have happy and safe drive for years to come. And btw, I was busy whole day and wanted to reply that please dont be scare and too crazy about used cars in UAE as majority of them are good and in reasonably re-usable condition and not like your salt lake rotten cars. Take it easy, enjoy and i'm sure after few years you will have different experience of owning cars in UAE.

Congrats!!

Happy Birthday @Jeepie

Happy happy birthday @Jeepie 🎉

Happy Birthday Marjan

Happy birthday Marjan !

Mmm the XTerrians community is growing faster and faster in Carnity. Nice to hear. @Chaitanya D how was your first off-road drive with your new ride ?

You are correct @Desert Dweller. I had moved on to an xterra, but I'm going for a newbie drive in Al Qudra this week to test as well as to familiarize myself with the vehicle.

UPDATE: I have now bought the car!! https://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/jeep/grand-cherokee/2020/6/10/aed1714month-2015-jeep-grand-cherokee-summ-2/ Settled for 80K. Ideally, I would have gotten something without air suspension and with two hooks attached etc, but we'll see how this one turns out! Acknowledgement: Literally all of you helped me get a car that I feel good about. You helped me calibrate my expectations, gave me a reality check, and offered your generous help and time. For that, a BIG THANK YOU (in no order): @sertac @Frederic @Rahimdad @Chaitanya D @Gaurav @desertdude @Brette I will update this thread once the car has gone through (in this order): 1) A mechanic for fault finding so I can get it fixed while I still have warranty 2) Off-road upgrades to be able to join newbie drives (still figuring this out)

With the summer coming closer, we will go a little deeper into the dangers of being exposed to the extreme heat UAE brings to us. During off-roading, some activities such as recovery work, replacing tyres, and dealing with pop-outs, are physically demanding, and many of us who are in office jobs are not trained to cope with this amount of heat. Luckily with the help of some basic things, we can minimize the risk of below mentioned issues. The following risks are identified: Heat exhaustion: Warning signs: A person may suddenly look pale. Heart rate will increase and the victim may complain of feeling dizzy and nauseous. A feeling of weakness is also common. What to do: Seek shade immediately and lie down, especially if you’re feeling lightheaded. Apply a cold compress to the forehead and remove extra layers. Heat Stroke: Warning signs: Heat stroke is a type of hypothermia where the body temperature is greatly elevated. If not treated immediately it can be fatal. Symptoms are similar to those of a heart attack, along with nausea, headaches, hallucinations, difficulty in breathing, and agitation, What to do: apply cool water to the skin and place ice packs under the arms to reduce the temperature quickly. Preventive Measures: • Sip some water all day long, rather than just when you are thirsty. If you are thirsty it means you are already dehydrated. • Wear light clothing that can "breathe", but also wear sunblock and keep your head protected with a cap or hat. • Some fruit and vegetables can re-hydrate the body even more than water. Carry some in your cooler. • Water is important, but too much water can be dangerous as it can cause electrolyte depletion. Limit yourselves to 2-3 liters per day. • When recovering a vehicle in full sun, limit your exposure time and take some rest every couple of minutes. Because you are focused on the task at hand, you might completely forget the heat and become dizzy and exhausted. • If at some point you feel unwell, inform your club members immediately. When driving, inform immediately over the radio so the convoy can be stopped. • Keep an eye out for your fellow club members. It is relatively easy to recognize above symptoms in somebody else. Let them take appropriate rest. Please do share your tips, hints, experiences !

Bumping up this topic with the summer coming nearby.

Happy birthday dearest. Looking to piloting our TJ ship with you for many years to come.

I feel it's not just the power, but other factors like gear ratios that also matter. All the power in the world but a messed up gearing doesn't help in long hill climbs. A straight 6 engine giving only 190 hp but having the right gear ratio can also do the Iftar bowl climb from the center. See the video. VID-20200615-WA0037.mp4

Spray some water and phones are back in 10 sec. AC cooling take up to 2 minutes, water cools the best.

Thank you @Asif Hussain Bhai

That’s true! Good observation. Emmanuel won’t be there so we’re missing Jawaher. I believe @Tbonealso got himself an Xterra, but I don’t know if he’s joining this drive.

Congratulations and Best wishes @Shamil...was just wondering we have quite a few xterra in this drive 1. @Shamil 2. @Kalahari 3. @Desert Dweller 4. Mine - finally ready for the drive and I am eager to see how it fares Anyone else is driving xterra in this drive? sorry for missing out .

Happy birthday @Jeepie . God bless you

Congratulations @Shadab Khan. Happy and safe motoring. See you soon somewhere on the "hot" sand!

Many more happy returns of the day @Jeepie

The best advice I was ever given is that a Cheap [insert luxury marque] is the most expensive one you can buy. By the time they get to the 2nd hand market with attractive prices they are out of warranty and normally need some big bit of expensive engineering that the owner does not want to pay for (timing chain/transmission). I am with most of the comments above. I looked at dozens of these supposedly 'cheap' luxury wagons when I got here. I am not sure how many times the RR air suspension was on its last legs. X5 is a beast, until you have to pay to repair it (again) and every one I looked at that was in budget was missing some major service record. I was so desperate, that in the end I bought a Jeep!

i Am thinking of IBIS hotel near Dragon mart ,any suggestion for any thing more close

You are right this happened to my action cam last week. It was a pain to take it off and then cool it for sometime and then put it back

Looks like a full house. Really great to see so much enthusiasm around to fill in the drive so quickly. @marks seems you are new to the group, please introduce yourself, the 4x4 you drive and your experience of driving in the desert. Hope you have gone through the video for the Absolute Newbie Briefing attached on my original thread. Thanks to @Brette and @Shiju Manuel for clicking on the Totally Agree smiley for both posts. I would like to request @Incognitoes, @marks and @andy_macdxb to please click on Totally Agree to the Ban from Carnity Thread as per link below. Also may I request @Incognitoes, @marks, @Yousef Alimadadi, @syed salman raza, @Jun Zamora, @luwaimn, @andy_macdxb, @Mehmet Volga, @Gregory Perkin, @George Francis and @Colin Jordan to click on Totally Agree smiley on the original drive thread. I will review the treads again by Wednesday afternoon and anybody who has not responded will be removed to make space for others interested in this drive.

@syed salman raza since there is no hotel close to the meeting point, you can go for any hotel in Sharjah or better close to Ghusais in Dubai , it would take you just over 30 - 25 minutes to reach the meeting point. If you click on the link to google maps on your PC, click on nearby and than from the pop-up select hotels, it will give you a few options. As you scroll through the hotel list on the left, it will give you the travel time on top of the maps on the right of the screen.

Congratulations @Shamil for your first drive post, highly respect the contributions you have made over the recent drives to make sure all are running smooth. This is a new feather in your cap, hoping to watch you grow further and take on the role of managing your own drive. Well done.

yes that comes from the app itself.

Congratulations @Shamil for your first official managing ride, Well deserved, how you are supporting and experiencing well earned, I was not able to catch this drive, kindly if there is a free slot add my name, I RSVP to one of the Newbie drives but will be very happy to join this fewbie drive if someone is not coming Thank you

Congrats buddy !

Congrats @Shamil for your first official drive post. Well done.

Hi all, so wifey discovered the photo below after the recent Solar Park trip where I should have braked properly 😅 (*lesson learned!) And now I'm looking into modifications (I hope I won't be addicted to offroad mods after this)... but do you guys invest in Skid Plates? I got a quote for Nissan Patrol Y62, front skid plate AED1850 (not including VAT) and rear skid plate AED1300 (not including VAT). If it's really worth the price... should you do just the Front skid (and only invest in rear skid after a situation like this happens to the back of car) or might as well do both front+back skids in one-go?

This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to respect and follow these guidelines strictly in order to not jeopardize someone's health and to ensure we can keep organizing these drives safely. MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we are driving on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving just by sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Just like before we like to continue our desert drives through out the year, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (100m - 200m) inside the desert track. You individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction. Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reaches to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only a Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation There will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 10-20 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Strictly no sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged and programmed radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advised by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Two Way Radio Guidelines Every Offroader brings his own radio, programmed to the frequencies described in below advice topic. We will not share spare radios or program your radio on the drive. If you need assistance in programming the radio, post a topic on the Carnity website with your questions and we will help you out. Make sure your radio is fully charged. It will be your only way of communication while driving. Before buying, please carefully read below advice so you are informed properly on which model / cost / shops... No radio = No drive. It is an essential tool and you should make sure you bring it on every drive and learn/practice how to use it. MUST WATCH: OUR NEWBIE VIDEO BRIEFING: Drive Details Level: Newbie, Absolute Newbie and Above (All Levels) When: June 19 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 7:00 AM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: Mahafiz Tree Entrance 2 - https://goo.gl/maps/RBCafJhRiJZTm4Pr5 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 10:30 AM End Point: Adnoc- https://goo.gl/maps/gq17ZbqKFfERCRdk9 LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 15 cars only. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 2 Senior Members + 12 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list. Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

Welcome to the COVID 19 "new normal" lifestyle with restrictions and precautions for everyone safety. Moving forward and respecting authorities guidance all desert drives will be done under strict control. No Gathering | No Briefing | No BBQ | No Eating Together | No Touching | No Hugging MUST READ: Not following these rules and precautions = Not allowed to drive. We are only allowed to drive through the desert, as we are driving on the road now. So we will only do the desert driving just by sitting inside our cars at all the times and leave the drive without socializing or coming close to each other. Just like before we like to continue our desert drives through out the year, but this time we need your immense support to understand the strict control and to help everyone follow them all the time. For members who are fasting, they can break their fast discreetly and convoy will be stopped during that time and until they offer their prayer. How to maintain "STRICT" Social Distancing Meeting point will be set slightly (100m - 200m) inside the desert track. So, that you individually deflate your tires on the tarmac before reaching the meeting point. While deflating tires, stop cars 10 meters away from any other car. Drive signup on calendar will be closed on Thursday morning by 9 AM. Convoy numbering and briefing will be posted here on this drive post before 6 PM on Thursday. All participants need to read & acknowledge the briefing by clicking "Totally Agree" reaction Switch on your radio when you reach the meeting point on the set frequency advised by the trip lead in the critical briefing here. Once everyone reach to the meeting point, everyone stay inside the car at all the times. Trip lead will do the roll call, convoy numbering recap, critical briefing over the radio. Any suggestions or issues will be discussed over the radio too. You can also speak to other members through the radio only. So please make sure that your radio battery is fully charged. Once all set, trip lead will start the drive as before. Refusal and Recoveries with Social Distancing Every drive will have 1 lead Marshal and 1 or 2 supporting senior members/crew. Whenever there is a stuck or refusal, only Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is allowed to handle the situation. Everyone else including the stuck car driver, stay inside the car - AT ALL TIMES. Marshal / Senior Member / Crew is only allowed to step out to access the situation and do the recoveries: They will wear mask and gloves at all times when they are outside their car. They will try to help self recover through the radio guidance. If not they will use required recovery gear and do the needful (shovel, tug or winch, as required). If at any time Marshal require help, then only you are allowed to step out by wearing face mask and gloves at all times. Drive completion and inflation Now, there will not be any gathering or sitting down together for food-break like before. Once drive is finished, after reaching the tarmac, everyone is requested to move away 50-100 meters before starting their inflation. For drivers having no compressor, can head to the near by fuel station. If drive is ending at a place where there is no fuel station near by, then trip lead will inform in advance so that drivers having their own compressor can join only. Now Strictly no more sharing of compressors, radio, shovel or any recovery gear, at any times. Mandatory things you require to attend the drive Face mask - at least TWO face mask is needed in case one get damage or fly away. Disposable rubber gloves - at least two sets are needed. Wear face mask and gloves at all the times, when you are out of your car. Carry plenty of hand sanitizer and object sanitizer (spray). Use your sanitizers generously, whenever you step out to help or recover. Sanitize your hands before getting back into your car. Sanitize your recovery gears, if you have used them. Fully charged radio - without any excuse - No radio = No drive. Shovel - Must for every car, to do little self recovery Safety flag - Must for every car, like before Compressor - If joining the drives that is ending far from the fuel station. Mandatory precaution that you need to take at all times Do not step out of your car UNLESS/OTHERWISE advice by Marshal / Senior Member / Crew. No shaking hands, hugs or touching each other. No sharing of food, drinks or recovery tools. If you are not feeling well, please stay at home and take a lot of rest. If you have travel in last 14 days, then please do not attend this drive. If you feel unwell during the drive, please let trip lead know so he can plan an early exit. Not more than 3 pax in a car and if all 3 aren't living together, then they should wear the mask inside the car too. Two Way Radio Guidelines Every Offroader brings his own radio, programmed to the frequencies described in below advice topic. We will not share spare radios or program your radio on the drive. If you need assistance in programming the radio, post a topic on the Carnity website with your questions and we will help you out. Make sure your radio is fully charged. It will be your only way of communication while driving. Before buying, please carefully read below advice so you are informed properly on which model / cost / shops... No radio = No drive. It is an essential tool and you should make sure you bring it on every drive and learn/practice how to use it. Drive Details Level: Fewbie and above - (No Newbie and No Absolute Newbie Allowed) When: 19 Jun 2020, Friday. Meeting time: 4:00 PM (SHARP - Without any exceptions) Action Plan: Evening drive till about 08:00 PM Meeting Point: Tawi Nazwa Farm - https://goo.gl/maps/ME9rkXLNYiMwj5L78 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 08:00 PM End Point: 2nd Dec Cafeteria - https://goo.gl/maps/HmdMcdMKftaN9VVS8 P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 15 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Thursday - 9 AM. 1 Lead Marshal + 2 Senior Members + 12 Members. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

There will be however a few exceptions to the rule. BMW 5-Series E39 was extremely well made, and can hold it own against the Lexus 400 series. If you're going for luxury SUV, then maybe a LX470 is an option.

Your Patrol was the first thing that popped into my mind after reading that post. Very short 1st and anemic 2nd. I think it was a direct transfer from the Patrol pickup because you need a short and torquey 1st gear for a fully laden pickup to get moving specially off road. Same case with the Cruiser pickup. Infact when not loaded and on road I never even used 1st always started from 2nd

#notjealousatall

Dr @Chaitanya D with due respect @Wrangeld and @Jeepie do not compete with each other, they complete each other. Looking at them I now realise why we call each other the better half.

I thought we already discussed this? Anyways screw sports car-esque handling mandling nobody gives a crap about it, I'm pretty sure your Mrs doesn't neither do you and neither do I, if you want handling buy yourself a sports coupe, not a luxury SUV. Like I said and everybody pretty much agrees is stay away from the BMW. I technically have a Land Rover but the engine is directly out of the BMW parts bin it shares the same engine as the 1st gen BMW X5 and earlier model 7 series. the BMW M62tub and that is the thing that has gone wrong on it most. As most know I havent bought a non Land Rover product in over 12 years now ( save for that brief period I had a sheep). 7 to 12 Land Rovers in that much time 2 Discovery series 1 and 5 Range Rovers. And this BMW engined Land Rover has been the least reliable among them all and till date has had the most work done on it out of any car Ive ever owned by myself and my LR garages , and this is not just an anecdotal story within 2 months of me buying it two other friends bough the same exact cars as well as its the same story there also. The 2010 Range Rover should be fine IMO but do expect bills every now and then, because remember just because you are buying it for 30k doesn't mean it is a 30k car. This was over a half a million dhs when it rolled off the showroom floor and so you have to treat is as such. But don't worry I know a very skilled and very reasonable priced LR specialist right here in Shj. But if all of this is not your cup of tea then I suggest You can always look into a early to mid 2000s Lx470. reliable as fek' can literally go 500k kms plus and still drive like new with 0 issues just needs a timing belt every 100k and you can drive is proper off road in the dunes as well or the cheap as chips much more roomy and brawny infinit QX56 Navigator is a great car something I have considered myself but that Triton V8 engine has a few bad habits depending on which one you are getting from spitting out spark plugs to chewing up cam phasers But a second hand Cayenne only if you don't like money. BUT do buy and own a Range Rover once in your life even if it is for a short while, until Bentley and Rolls Royce came out with SUVs of their own this was the closet you could get to that level of opulent luxurious drive specially in a SUV format for 1/100th the price. And like once my friend said after he sat in a new to me range rover. Doesn't matter which one, new or old, but once your get it, you definitely know its a Range Rover, nothing like it.

RTA put fine on me if before 6 am I am on the road ,they have camera monitoring now very strict

Thanks @Rahimdad Bhai, it’s all thanks to the support I have received from the seniors.

Thank you @Mahmoud Hamzawy and sure no problem, ill add you to the waitlist

I'm genuinely curious to know why you choose Volvo against 20+ other super capable, proven, car brands?

Let me be the first to take advantage presented by @Carnity, thank you so very much for this opportunity. My company has seen the repatriation flights to India and they are way too expensive. Plus there are a lot of hassles that are involved to set your self up for these repatriations flights. We have done a study and decided to charter aircraft to India starting from 15 - 20 June. I have listed below the benefits of booking through us along with my email address. Those interested can email me your details so that I can revert back with a quote and documentation required. Our chartered flights are cheaper than the repatriation flights started by scheduled carriers. We offer the full package which includes your flights, accommodation for 3, 4 & 5 Star hotels in India approved by Indian government for quarantine for 7, 14 or 21 nights as required by the specific state, all the documentation except for the negative Covid19 results, and transfer from the airport to the hotel. the hotel will include all your meals Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. We are a reputed company and rest assured will provide you the best possible offers with the complete package. The destinations we have as of now are Mumbai, Delhi, Kochi, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Chennai, Bangaluru, Trichy, Lucknow, Trivandrum, Srinagar and Amritsar. Those interested please contact me through my email [email protected] and since this is a general mailbox please address it to me...Rahimdad. Thank you for taking time to go through the offer and I thank you for all your queries in advance.

I totally missed that. Than it is useless.

@RohanH 8mm thick Aluminium will be good if you find it. 6mm thick is also fine if your vehicle don't have hanging radiator.

Go to that same guy again - strictly - and ask if metal bumper with 2 rubber bump stops are allowed...? After hearing his answer, you will understand my real feeling behind the above post In your Y62 case, off course I fully agree trimming is better for initial newbie-fewbie level drives.

Nope, but still better to check with your insurance IMO. Nope, for warranty too, but still better to check with dealers. Why Im saying this is with ever changing tight economies your insurance and car dealer might start rejecting hefty claims based on wrong air freshner used.....! If it's metal bumper then it need two rubber bump stops in front and RTA is absolutely fine with that mod.

From my workshop experience what i do is use labanups diluted with water even more if a pinch of salt is added Or just plain glucose powder in some cold water also does the trick On that note I am feeling thirsty now