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Thanks @Hisham Masaad, nothing major, just getting younger I guess

Good morning all ! Krishna R @Krishna R Tharun Kumar V @Tharun Kumar V Stumpy Paj @Stumpy Paj Amr Aydin @Amr Aydin Andrei S @Andrei S Ishak @Ishak Pascal @Pascal Naveen Raj @Naveen Raj Bravoecho @Bravoecho Ahmed Wagdy @Ahmed Wagdy Stan @Stan premindra rajaram @premindra rajaram VipinShetty @VipinShetty You guys all are confirmed for the drive from my side. I am sure we will be having a great morning out ! Will close the RSVP by tomorrow morning and post the convoy setup. See you soon !

We have been using and recommending securing the tow rope for harder tug always, recently I got to experience its real importance. In Liwa across soft sand patch, when we have to pull a dead car, where we have to have a slightly higher rolling momentum to release the car from soft sand and yet continue rolling. During that time, the stock tow point failed and the safety rope absorbed the potential trajectory and hit the tow point back into the sand. No damage was caused to Raptor (towing vehicle) or any human around. Here are the pics of the climber shackle rated for 200 kg and the safety rope rated for 500 kg. WhatsApp Video 2023-01-25 at 6.45.53 AM.mp4 WhatsApp Video 2023-01-23 at 9.28.28 AM.mp4

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, this cant be happening 😢. I hope you will get well soon my friend and for sure will make it up

Looking forward to drive with you. One more drive in this terrain will come this season.

Frame-by-frame coverage

By Reducing the overconfidence

By adding some parachutes

Salamat @Ranjan Das get well soon, hope no major issues

Hi @Christopher Royare you sure the shop used the right type of break pads for the car ? I suspect there is a little bit of play and they are slightly loose, making them slide forward when braking. You posted this in the RS4 section. Perhaps the workshop installed the regular A4 brake pads ? (I would assume the RS4 has provision for bigger type of brake pads).

General Info It is a redemption drive. The name is given by @Ranjan Das while enjoying the morning time in liwa. Last drive for me in Shuweib, was last Oct 1st 2022. Everything was going fine, till Ranjan's car decided not to continue, stopped and had to pull it out. Hoping will have a good drive again in Shuwaib. This drive is organized in full compliance with the COVID19 guidelines. We expect every member that joins this drive to go through below information and strictly follow these guidelines. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions Mandatory Safety Requirements Ban from Carnity Off-road Club Two Way Radio Guidelines Drive Details Level: Intermediate and above Meeting time: 7:00 am Saturday (deflated and ready to move) Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/G4YvrUaFKnYMeY4D6 Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Approximate finish time: 11:00 am P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE: Limited to 10 cars maximum. RSVP will close on Friday - 12 PM. If the RSVP is full and you wish to join, please mention your name on the drive thread to add on the waiting list Latecomers will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members without RSVP will be returned back - without ANY EXCEPTIONS. Members that do not confirm the terms of the COVID requirements will be removed from the RSVP list. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

I think the main issue other than overconfident and eggo..the driver failed to read the dune texture by not reducing the speed of the car to third i guess when he approachs the dune ridge which causes the car to fly as result of steep decline on the otherside. He cld easily prevent it by controling the car speed.

This is a nasty one but has to be seen , watch carefully please

Hopefully good...! lol

Noted

@GauravSoni got some free time during the weekend would be happy to join up! I’ve added myself to your list

I would love to join this drive...

Only way to prevent is to enjoy the cosy sofas and chill watching other fly!

Being an IM drive, it is always better to keep it as short as possible. After the drop out, there is place for one, @Ashutosh Garg are you planning to join, or will take good rest before going liwa😉

@M.Seidam - he fell asleep during the pre-takeoff safety instructions. Also, thank you for only posting issues of Toyota drivers 😛

Hi Mike, there is no real need of securing tow rope further, as we secure 3 things together with safety rope (Tow rope, shackle and tow point). The whole idea is, if any of these three things fail, safety rope "supposed" to absorb the kinetic energy and redirect the remaining force downward. In other words, to slow down the projectile force from 100 km/hr speed to 10 km/hr (its an example). The core reason we want support rope or climber shackle to fail too in that process so that alternate point where we secure safety rope (lower arm, foot rest, swaybar, steering rod, etc) shouldn't break. If you meant to secure the failing tow rope even more, then I would recommend using the sand filled winch damper along with safety rope, but that's really an overkill. You can use this overkill setup when you need to give jolting tug to stuck vehicle, but not while towing a dead car, as winch damper will interfere in dead car recovery.

Well done an deserved @Benjamin see you around , in FB+:)

How could this be prevented ?

Very well done @Benjamin congratulations 👍

I was just checking the weather forecast and it seems that Saturday morning is going to be one of those "Super foggy" days! lets stick to the original timing of 7 am. Please drive carefully and follow the speed restrictions.

Dear Desert Drivers, The drive on Saturday is one of the "classic" drives that offers a perfect combination of small dunes, medium size bowls, long side slopes, a more technical patch, and some higher climbs in the last part. All of this in a very scenic environment. With the cool weather, be ready to enjoy nice outing on Saturday morning. Having said that, you can notice that we have a long waitlist. Please check carefully your schedule, and if you have changed your plans, remove your RSVP early enough to avoid empty spots on Saturday morning. I will communicate tomorrow the final convoy list, and a few more details.

This is going to be epic @Asif Hussain bhai!! Would have loved to join it.. family commitments first!

Hi @Gaurav thanks for sharing. How would you further secure a tow rope? I know this comes across as a basic/naive question for the more seasoned drivers especially for crew/leads/support team members but you never know when a sip from the fountain of knowledge might come handy in critical situations.

The plan is to have a sunset FB+ level drive covering Lisaili, Murqab and Qudra for around 3 hours in total from 4- 7 PM. Post 7PM, we find a nice spot very close to exit point and have a campfire & enjoy the weather. It is optional to stay back for campfire part. As we would finish the drive very close to a exit track, drive members are free to leave anytime after 7pm. We can wrap up the camp fire around 10-11 PM. Thing’s to keep: camp chair, 1 pack of wood per driver, snacks for yourself.

Been waiting for a @Hisham Masaad intermediate Yalla push drive for a while! Gutted i cannot make this weekend, but also wasnt near the internet at 1900 on monday either 🤣. Im sure it will be a good one! Enjoy all!

dear Dune surfers! @Zulfikhar Naiyar @Mario Cornejo @Jona @Ignacio Quindós @Jaro Tuzinsky @Ashutosh Garg @Mike M. @Pierre de Maigret @Sam K @Archibald Jurdi Welcome to the drive!.. I intend to prepone the meeting time to 6.30 AM.. this means we are deflated and ready to move by 6.45 AM. let me know if it works for you as well by a Thumbs up reaction to this message or message otherwise.

Thanks @Rizwanm2 and @Varun Mehndiratta

Congratulations @BenjaminEnjoy your new level. 👏

Congratulations @Benjamin 👍👍

Thanks @Hisham Masaad and @Brette I learn from the best thanks everyone will definitely enjoy this new level @Ranjan Das @Sajan.S

Congratulations @Benjamin on your promotion - enjoy your new level.

Get ready for tub-thumping madness with the FB+ level. Congratulations @Benjamin 💥

Congratulations @Benjaminon the promotion. Jeep power!

Blind Date: No Maps Drive - Drive Report "Today, let us swim wildly, joyously in gratitude" - Rumi Let's start the report by being joyously grateful that @Vanessa8580 escaped a roll-over healthy and in one piece, with no bruises other than on her X-Terra's body. The accident, clearly shown by the Second Lead's on-board camera, was a freak one, that could have happened to anybody. Its dynamic was the same as that of a tire bursting on tarmac, with the X-Terra having a pop-out upon reaching the flat top of a tall dune, and pivoting on the damaged wheel, spinning once, twisting 180 degrees, and landing on its right side, facing backward. The pop-out must have been caused by an irregularity on the hard, almost cement like, and corrugated surface at the top of the dune, resulting from the 4 days of rainfall that preceded the drive. The guys in Convoy #2 can refine this reconstruction, having seen the accident in person. When Convoy #1 arrived at the scene, having seen it from the opposite ridge, we found Vanessa recovering her composure, with @Islam Soliman and @Lawrence_Chehimi, well assisted by the rest of the drivers, intent in studying and preparing the recovery. As the car was resting on its right side, leaning away from the wide ridge, toward a bowl on what would have been the slip-face, it was suggested and agreed that to bring back the car on its 4 wheels the tug should be given from the tall dune's hard face, and from its bottom (tugging away from the rim of the ridge would have risked the pulling car to slip down the slope, and getting stuck without any more traction to either get back up, or to complete the job). Another concerted decision was to use towing ropes, in place of the kinetic ones, linked together in a number sufficient to reach the towing car almost at the bottom of the hard face: the intent was to make sure the tension would be continuous, and avoid that the ropes give some slack while the X-Terra was being pulled to the ground. Finally, a third decision was also to anchor the X-Terra from its back side, which was leaning heavily toward the slip-face's bowl below, to make sure the pull would be even, and no slipping down toward gravity would take place. With all this orderly arranged and put into place by the whole convoy, Islam proceeded to tug, while @Dodi Syahdar provided the anchor, resulting in an almost effortless recovery of Vanessa's X-Terra to its 4-wheel position. A second tug ensued, to bring the dead weight of the car from its slightly inclined resting place (leaning toward the slip-face's bowl) back onto the flat surface available at the top of the ridge, with the goal of fixing the pop-out that caused the incident in the first place. This took place from the front, courtesy of Dodi's, with Islam's anchoring the car from behind. With the pop out rapidly fixed, all that was left to do, while Vanessa finished to recover her poise, was to scout a track, unobstructed by dunes, that would allow Islam to tow the car out to the location of our starting point, next to Murqab's mosque. Towing the car's dead weight became unavoidable, as after waiting sufficient time to make sure it was possible to try and turn on the engine again, this stalled and did not give signs of being able to function at all. Luckily, the whole thing had taken place with an easily accessible sabkha in sight, and it was not difficult to find a local's sand track leading out to Murqab's mosque. @Islam Soliman, @Lawrence_Chehimi, @Ahmad Nerat, @Yaseen87, @Krishna R, @Murtaza Bhuria, @Sebb, @Andrei S, @Shahid Mehmood and @Naim Aoun from Convoy #2 (especially those driving closer to Vanessa) are welcome to add to this reconstruction with any observation they find would be useful to understand the incident's dynamic, and to work as educational material for any future reference, in similar cases. Once the situation was back under control, Convoy #1 continued the blind drive, using all visual landmarks in sight, to eventually reach its final destination. From Murqab's sabkha we moved in a north-easterly direction, crossing a technical area, toward the sabkhas between Margham and Lisaili, and from there first toward the pylons to the west, and eventually to the south-west, keeping the Solar Tower (a.k.a The Chimney) to the south of the convoy, a group of trees located amidst a well know technical area just to the left of the convoy, and aiming at a gap between the pylons and the Innovation Center's "pyramid" often visible from the higher positions. It was a phenomenally fun drive, with all drivers behaving greatly, and enjoying the compact sand, that allowed to ride on ridges for extended periods, as well as lots of criss-crossing. Having reached the "Three Trees" exit, at the roundabout between Solar Park and Qudra, the convoy was partially extended, with @Ishak, @Gary F, @Sunil Mathew and @Frans M continuing with me toward the Qudra's exit, still "blind", while @Jaro Tuzinsky, @Stan, @Bravoecho, @Abdul Basit Khan, @Adam James, @Stumpy Paj and @Dodi Syahdar ending the drive as scheduled. Altogether, including the Qudra extension, the drive covered 74.3 Km (more likely 70, as a few Kms were driven by me to scout Islam's exit route), completed in 2:25 hours of driving time (with 4:28 hours in total), at an average moving speed of 31 Km/h (and 17 Km/h total average). Thanks to @Jaro Tuzinsky for the Second Lead, to @Sunil Mathew for anchoring, and to @Dodi Syahdar for sweeping, as well as thanks to the whole Convoy #2 for coming to the rescue of Vanessa's, ensuring that she was unharmed, and making the X-Terra's recovery a safe and successful one. @Vanessa8580's generosity, enthusiasm and competence will be missed while the X-Terra is brought back to its original condition, while I am sure that she will be looking forward to getting back in the saddle as soon as possible, unshaken by the knowledge that this unfortunate incident could have happened to anybody, and it was certainly not due to any "mistake" on her part, but rather to an invisible glitch in sand caused by the unusual 4 days of rainfall.

@Gaurav hehehe it has been realy long time since this exercise 😄 Well this is the danger of driving on 2WD in the desert , the unspining front wheels acted like a break while the back of the car still in forward momentum. … the rest you know now 😉

@DP1011 , Deepak wranglerhe must be a parrot

The guy loves 2wheel drive mode. Because of that when he went over the top of the dune his front wheels just got stuck instead of pulling the car forward like in a 4wd mode.

I guess he was climbing up with much speed and suddenly hit the brakes and that shifted all the weight to the front. Maybe he was also in 2WD

Hitting the brakes just after crossing ?

This is almost similar

Ummm all what you have said usually shouldn’t cause this . Actually not the acceleration what caused that it’s something else 😄

Crossing towards slip face, soft sand and too much of gas ? I would rather get crested than experience this

Why this happened ?

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