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Can I just say holy moly guacamole! What an adventure Liwa was! Thinking about the whole trip now, I’m really thankful that we all made it back home in one piece 😀 As @Rahimdad said in his post, a few of us spent the week prepping and buying stuff for the trip (I still managed to buy the wrong shovel🤣), and just threw ourselves into this immense, commanding desert. As I left DXB very early, I was at the meeting point at around 6 a.m. When the sun started revealing the dunes surrounding us, my level of nervousness started to rise. Luckily, I quickly took care of my anxiety with an egg paratha sandwich and a nice warm tea😀. Then as I got uneasy again, @Asif Hussain and @Rahimdadshowed up and lightened up the mood. From the first few minutes on the sand I realized that this was not going to be “a walk in the park”. Within the first 15 minutes on the sand, we had already had a few stucks and a couple of re-routes. All in all, I thought the drive was fantastic. What really blew me away though, was the team spirit and camaraderie that everyone in the group exhibited. People were eager to shovel, tug, encourage, advise and counsel. It was great to hear consultative communications over which path to take, which re-routes make more sense, and what recovery method is most appropriate. @Asif Hussain thank you so much for your leadership and your immense patience. You empowered us, let us discover our driving styles, and allowed us to make the types of mistakes that help us grow and build confidence. And how awesome was the first “sand song” that Asif orchestrated? The music was just exhilarating and everyone played so well! @Rahimdad you truly are superman with mad driving skills! I truly regret not taking a video of you doing circles at the bottom of that nasty bowl to gain momentum/speed and come out triumphant. It was jaw-dropping awesomeness💪🏻 The fact that you got me out if a stuck solely in reverse gear, was amazing! I truly believed you could have driven us back to Dubai in reverse 😂 @Brette, you are a kind and gentle soul. I loved your enthusiasm and your eagerness to help everyone on every occasion! This is not to mention the high level of sportsmanship you showed while taking orders from @Rahimdad to shovel harder😂 Truly thanks for all your help and advice! The rest of my fellow drivers, you guys were just great. You showed a positive and helpful attitude that went a long way in lifting the moral of our convoy. Everyone drove fantastically well, everyone was helpful and most importantly everyone wore their patience hat while we tried to figure out how to get out of some infamous stucks 😂 This trip was truly taxing on my body. I drove 712 km back and forth from Dubai to Liwa, plus whatever else we drove in the desert. My shoulders are still aching from shoveling and it took my knees a few hours to stop shaking from the excitement of driving the big bad majestic dunes. If we get to go again next year, I’m driving up there the night before 😀 I’m sure I’ve forgotten lots of details to report from our trip, but my post is already the size of a local newspaper 🤣 It was great seeing you @Gaurav, @Foxtrot Oscar, @Wrangeld, @Lorenzo Candelpergher, @Vanessa8580, and finally meeting you @Frederic and @Srikumar (sorry if I missed anyone else). I look forward to many returns with ya’ll on the sand 🙏🏻

For seeing in front of your car radio isn't needed. He could have simply left gas. Either red car is an Absolute Newbie or in stage of denial thinking that 6000 hp wrangler can come out of its own.

Very good observation and question. All these extreme failure happen (stalling engine, catching fire, etc.) when driver start modifying too much with car engine and/or engine management system (re-tune, supercharge, turbo etc.) without testing the stuff properly with an aim to get 400 hp from 200 hp motor. At 00:18 seconds you can hear the rev limiter and by no means it sounds or climb like a stock FJC on a slipface. Majority failure happen due to extreme modifications and that's why RTA and Insurance company wont support cars with mods. And second group of failure (minor though) with lack of schedule maintenance.

I believe reversing straight back with some shoveling as required will do the job . Also the slope is in favor of rope recovery from the back if needed. regarding what could have gone wrong is that recovery against the gravity ramp is very difficult and in this one especially the two vehicles are at angels with the resultant vector of force toward the dune wall direct ,having that said damage to front car pumper , taw points damage ( as force is increased too much here ) is big risk

Very informative footage @Zed From What I see all of you were doing flat grounds pretty comfortably in the initial 3-4 min, then you started to push your cars . We all emphasize often that there is no contest / competition when on drives, but somehow everyone (including me) can get carried away. You learnt it the hard way, but I am sure you will come back a better driver . We all make and learn from our mistakes

Whoa! @Niki Patel, @Heisem, @Gaurav and @Frederic! How the hell do you guys know all this stuff? I had no idea about any of it 😀 Oxygen free cabling? I thought you were gonna say make sure the cables are asbestos free; that’s how ancient my car audio knowledge is 🤣 I felt like I was reading a technical article on Wikipedia. In any event, my humble conclusion from this thread (and a couple of others), is that I need to omit @Niki Patel’s posts from my reading list as they’re not conducive to my good health; financial health that is. After reading Niki’s posts, I somehow always end up spending or think of spending more money 😂 12.1 inch screen, new tires, kill switches, and now to top it all up, a new sound system with oxygen free cables, a subwoofer and insulated doors!!! You guys are killing me! I don’t need any help spending money; I already have a lovely wife who is very effective and efficient at doing that 😅

I think that on top of all the other comments: The red car didn't have a visual to the front car because of the angle. Radio was a must. Also, there were some bystanders, apparently too close to the cars, at risk of injury if the strap gets loose.

Well said @Mohamed Seidam. That's my opinion about the danger lf this approach.

Let's try to clear up the doubts here: The original aim of our RSVP system is to secure a spot (RSVP) for every active member as per their drive level, and to make sure everyone gets a chance for a weekly offroad drive (at least 1). 1) From when the drives are posted on Sunday till Wednesday morning, we kindly ask our members to RSVP only in 1 drive, with the intention of having enough spots available so everyone gets a fair chance to book into a drive. 2) If by any chance you were not able to secure a spot on any of our drives, you should send a message on the drive topic of the drive you wish to join with the message that says: "Can you please add me to the waiting list for my first drive of the weekend ?" 3) If you have a preference to book into another drive next to the one you have RSVPd for, you can do so by sending a message on the drive topic that says: "Can you please add me to the waiting list for my second drive of the weekend". 4) From Wednesday onwards we open the drive RSVP again and allow members to book into a second drive if the RSVP is not yet full. 5) On Thursday the drive lead will look at his RSVP list and can start adding members from the waitlist to fill up his drive or fill in the spots that became empty. Preference will be given to people on the waitlist that have not yet secured a drive for the weekend.

So proud of you @Abu Muhammad. Congratulations. i have been following you from your introduction to the sands in your Sequia. To now your son aptly naming your transformed ride as Sequndra. You and your family make us happy and proud to be a part of this community in which we help each other to learn and grow. Well done my brother.

Short update to close out the thread. @Gaurav happy to say I found the size tires and even better managed to sell my Dunlop’s for 1k to help ease the blow! I decided to remove the TPMS sesnors from all the wheels and have them sitting in a bag at home as the garage would put them all into the spare as per @Asif Hussain. I tried and tried to convince them to do it but they refused lol. @Rahimdad I am now testing how OCD I really am as the warning light is now permanent. I couldn’t remove a fuse to solve the warning light so if I struggle due to OCD it’s either black tape or a more drastic solution (on the FJ forums one owner in the US created a pressurized container with all 5 TPMS in that lol 😂) thanks for all the advice.. and glad to have got more suitable tires and learnt the TPMS lesson early enough to allow me to remove them all as I did the upgrade to the tires.

Many people have doubts about which engine type of Pajero they should buy, and specifically which will perform best in the desert. Mitsubishi provides the engine performance curves on their brochure but as they are not comparative i wanted to compare the 3.5 6G74 , and 3.8 6G75 engines from the 4th Generation Pajero (2008 till YTD). In above charts you will see the performance of both engines with Output in Kilowatts and Torque in Nm. When you layer these over each other you will get the following: Conclusive results: Output kw or Horsepower: The 3.8 engine performs the best with a max output of 250Hp at 6000rpm, while the 3.5 engine reaches its peak output of 189Hp at 4,750rpm. Up to 4500 rpm both engines react and perform quite similar, which would indicate for driving in the dunes they will perform similar, except for hill climbs where you will need to go beyond that rpm. The 3.8 clearly has the upper hand at that point. Torque: Again the 3.8 shows higher torque values with a max. of 327Nm at an rpm of 2,750rpm, while the 3.5 model reaches 306Nm at 3,750rpm. In Carnity Offroad Club we have seen 3.5 Pajeros performing very well, and while the 3.8 engine has the upper hand when it comes to high-rev hill climbs, they are both capable offroad engines that will do well in the right hands. Purpose of this topic is to consult your engine performance and try to find the "sweet spot" in at which your engine and torque level would be the best for that particular application. From these charts it is quite clear that the 3.5 engine needs to be used more on a lower rpm range and with the proper momentum. Of course these values are theoretical and one will find big differences between each vehicle depending on how well it was maintained, how old the engine is, or if there are issues with the vehicle (spark plugs, injectors, air filter issues). We have plenty of Pajero owners, so let's discuss and learn from each other !

I have rolled over twice in my life and that is the kind of memories that never go away from your head. I learned much more from my mistakes than from my successes. Luckily nothing serious happened (that can not be repaired). But regarding the video: I also wonder if you lifted the foot while trying to go down. With no gas, the steering is not responsive. That is another posible issue.

This video is private, Cant see it.

Oops cnt access it...says that the video is private...please check it @Yousef Alimadadi

Ground Zero is indeed well known in Europe. I don't have experience with it as i was a car audio fanatic in the 2000-2006 before the brand was arriving in Europe markets under the Ground Zero Gmbh holding. I've had Rockford Fosgate, JL Audio, Kicker, Lanzar, and few others which i had in different installs over the years. Initially i went for Db Drag contests, but later moved to IASCA sound quality contests. Totally agree with the sound insulation works, your speaker will only sound as good as the enclosure it's sitting in, and without proper insulation your high-end speaker will never come alive. Forget about the "Watts" as most companies advertise the PMPO output (Peak Music Power Output) which is TOTALLY irrelevant. The RMS rating is more realistic. Just make sure your amplifier is able to deliver a clean undistorted signal to the speaker, so ideally your RMS output rating of the amp should be higher than the RMS rating of your speaker. You can further fine tune with the sensitivity potmeter to make sure you're not overloading the speakers. Subwoofers are a different subject at all. If you are tight for space, go for a 10inch subwoofer either on its own amplifier, or bridged on your 5 channel amplifier. I am more in favor of using a separate amp for the sub. Try to avoid messing too much with the EQ of your head unit and all these bass-boost functions that only distort the original signal. If you want more bass, get more or bigger subwoofers instead of overloading them with distorted signals. In my little Pajero i have a Lanzar 4channel amp with Lanzar front speakers and JBL GTO oval speakers in the back. Few months back the amplifier (which was already quite old) starting crackling and eventually after trying to repair it i just threw it away and for the moment everything is connected to the Kenwood head unit. I can only dream about having a Subwoofer again as i simply don't have any space in the back due to all the offroad tools and equipment. Picture from my first setup in 2001: Pioneer 4 Channel Amp for the Pioneer speakers, and a RF Punch 60x2 Amp for the RF 12" Punch Series Subwoofer. Good times 😁

Hi @VipinShetty. Surely #1 us true. It's possible also #2 (or the driver wasn't hearing/listening), and #3. Luckily, I think, the tow hooks held, and no damage occurred to any of the recovery points, tools, and most of all, to the cars.

@Ali Abas Ali now added to the drive. Please confirm this is your first drive for this week. @Heisem no 1 @Piotr Kolodziej no 2 on the waitlist.

Yes, you can join drive Y and put your name on the waitlist for drive X. Having said that if there is a dropout on Drive X then since you already have secured a spot in Drive Y, the space would go-to the next on the waitlist. So you would get a spot in Drive X only after those who waitlisted on it but have not yet got a drive are done.

Hi @sertac, I am really sorry that I won't be able make it for the morning drive due to some commitments . I exited from the drive and you can allot the place for the those in WL. THANKS

Liwa through my eyes. My respect too all who joined us in Liwa after all the challenges. The testing for Covid19, driving around 350 kms on road each way, crossing the border into Abu Dhabi, being prepared to travel light and yet have all the essentials at hand. I remember seeing and hearing about Liwa and getting scared, preparing myself for that pilgrimage every serious off-roader ultimately makes. It took me 2 years to muster up the courage to say yes I'm ready to take on what Liwa has to offer. There was a strange feeling in my stomach when I first laid eyes on those huge dunes, a feeling I still get today after several trips here. Firstly I thank God Almighty for giving us such a beautiful terrain and thank Him again for giving us the means to experience it from the inside. My sincere respect to all who signed up for @Gaurav bhai dream to take all levels into and out these awesome but fearful dunes. I have to thank each and every senior off-roader from our club to pitch in and support in every way possible. @Gaurav, @Srikumar, @Frederic, @Asif Hussain and @Emmanuel thank you all for your wonderful leadership. @Wrangeld, @Jeepie, @Vanessa8580, @Desert Dweller, @Foxtrot Oscar, @Brette, @Lorenzo Candelpergher, @Tbone, @Janarthan, and @Pancho for a support without doubting that we could get everyone participating through the toughest terrain known to mankind. Atheist in our region. @Asif Hussain who led our team from the front, thank you for your careful planning to successfully complete an entire set of dunes to trying our best and making it on top of Moreeb dune for an amazing moment to be with the entire Carnity team. @Ahab Shamaa I have liked you from your participation on the forum, but meeting with you in person I've fallen in love with you brother. Your second lead was perfect and allowed us to avoid any difficulties. Plus your winch once discovered was a huge blessing and worked well throughout except when we needed it for you. We only used the tow rope to recover the winch. Keeping a cool and calm head in times of difficulty allowed a clear thinking which avoided any disasters. @Ashok chaturvedi your Pajero made it all the way to the end. It might be a bit old and tired, but processes the heart of a lion just like you. Liwa is a scary terrain, but you and your Pajero marched on and survived to come out stronger and happier the next time around. @Sinol I saw you throughout the day and you might have started weak. But you kept up with the convoy and the challenges Liwa has to offer. You learned and progressed and felt more comfortable as the drive progressed. It was a pleasure to watch you grow in a day in a terrain which can easily throw you off your ride. You even surprised me towards the end as you crossed over some really difficult sections all by yourself and with good control. @Brette you have a new pronunciation to your name by the end of the day. Your courage, positive energy, willingness to help and all without coffee was commendable. You never tired ostensible, atleast you never showed it as you were rushing everywhere as and when required. @Arda Yagcioglu you managed the whole terrain without any help. It was a treat watching you coming through the toughest of patches with a lot of confidence. Why it is special is it gives the support team to pay more attention to those who require it. Your patience through situations where we needed to assist certain drivers is highly appreciated and helpful in so many ways. @Archibald Jurdi with his awesome Wrangler was a treat to watch specially handling his manual gear as he scaled some of the highest dunes. You needed the minimum of assistance and self recovers yourself from a very soft pocket with a little help from a friend. @Francois Germishuys made it to Liwa but still finds it difficult for us to pronounce your name. I hope I finally got that right. It was a great pleasure to have you ride just in front of me. I loved to watch you drift whenever there was an opportunity. You are not only a very capable individual who is ready to help whenever required, but great company as and when I had the opportunity to chat with you. After 12 years of thinking sand rails don't work, you have changed my mind as on 3 - 4 occasions you've proved me wrong. Well done. Even though at one point I had you flying across the FJ. But a well timed help and concentrated effort my long time misconception of the sand rail has been broken. I had the most wonderful time with our convoy and would not trade it for any other for a wonderful Liwa experience. My pics including @Ahab Shamaa in his cliff hanger have been added to the Gallery.

congrats @bassel el rafei, well done..

Well done @Shaaz Sha, congratulations...

@Yousef Alimadadi I think in order to see the clip you need to publish it public option

Then I suggest that you reinforce the frontal axle. From experience (I bent my Dana 44 in a jump on the dunes with 35" inches tires) I found that the frontal axles of the wrangler are the weak link. And in your case that have Dana 30 is even worse. The external reinforcement is the best option (value/price) and you will be off-roading with peace of mind.

Of course that goes without saying and that is the number 1 point to consider. However in FJC video, guy seems very well experienced in choosing right and safe line to enter and floor the pedal at right time, continue the climb beautifully and in end bitten by a total misfortune due to technical failure or over-modifications (god knows).

I think the skills and expertise of drivers also count

Hahahahah! Ok @Niki Patel 😀 I agree; Google does come in handy. My issue now is that I’ve become so lazy, I don’t even wanna consult it. Imm waiting for Alexa to be smart enough to read my threads and answer on my behalf (making me look smart of course) 😂

Hi @sertac, I pull the airbags fuse off before every drive. So safe on that aspect. I have air suspensions, which will help me get about 10.6” of ground clearance and under body protection at the front and middle. Do you see any other concerns? Thanks!

@Frederic thank you for sharing your experience and as someone who had competition setups, that's a lot of quality advice! removing the software EQ and sound controls from the phone as a source has made a huge difference to the setup so far. It leaves me much happier and buys me some time to research and plan and future spend - i want to get the Amp right (am glad i added 8" mids as they deliver a decent level of bass even without a sub so for now, i have it much better than the stock and can not be tempted to buy so quickly future upgrades). @Frederic did you consider (and dismiss quickly) the idea of an underseat sub (ultimate space saver but i suspect No Sub is better than poor quality for an audiophile) @Alexander Alcala now you getting me in trouble with the marshals and crew!! ... as a disclaimer, the begining of my post, i mentioned this was to make the trip to and from the start points more pleasant .. lol (if i am caught pumping my poor taste in music during drives i will hang my head in shame!) @Ahab Shamaa come on now!! you have the 'pin up FJ' - i stopped looking at mine now i have seen your queen! Extreme, roof rack with the treads, a WINCH! and i bet the list is going on! ps my knowledge is due to the vast experience with google & 'copy-paste' - a whole days worth of knowledge is what i have

Hahahaha! @Rahimdad, I meant a rolling 12 months; not a calendar year 😂 But in all seriousness though, I look forward to enjoying life in nature with good people like yourself, and other fellow Carnityians 🙏🏻 God willing that’ll be in our cards...

@Ahab Shamaa be careful what you wish for. Next year is just a month away. If you plan to stay over night in Liwa count me in. I'll even share your tent, Omlet paratha and chai. What an opportunity Liwa was to make our bond stronger and perform so well as a team. I'm already looking forward to giving my blood sample as long as the results come negative and making the long journey towards new friendships and stronger bonds.

¡Tienes toda la razón @Alexander Alcala! La actitud en este país es un desastre cuando se trata de gastar dinero 🤪 I fully agree Alexander! While off-roading, we should be listening to radio instructions, the humming of our cars and the tranquility of nature. Now this is an economical solution that I like 😀 I will start reading more of your threads from now on 🤪

Thanks @Gaurav , this is some awesome Fatherly advice there! Now that I think of it, yes, I had the option of skipping the top crest by going sideways and continue following from below. But why did I kept on following the convoy?!?!?!? Haha, strange how Ego is undetected within oneself, but easily pointed out by (usually a more senior) person with experience. This is a very good lesson learned indeed, thank you again Gaurav Ji!

No one mentioned that while off-roading you are suppose to listen to your car and not to music, jajajajaja

Also get the good quality oxygen free cable before doing the final setup and connect all speakers and sub directly to Amp. As many road side audio guys run back speakers with Amp and front with head unit.

Hello All, Desertnauts, thanks for signing up for this Bab Al Shams drive for coming Friday. @Hardik Mody @Badar Tariq @Mike Kraher @Dinesh Dembla @Michael Gazi @Aus Alzubaidi @Thomas Varghese @Paul Zeitoun @varunmehndiratta @syed salman raza @Santhosh kumar Rajasekaran @Bernd Stucke Please make sure to have all these mandatory items without any excuses, as without any of these I'm afraid we won't be able to allow you to join this drive for safety reasons. Fully charged and programmed radio (walkie talkie) Safety flag, safely mounted on the car Tire deflator and tire pressure gauge Compressor to inflate your tires. These all items are NON NEGOTIABLE so please do not show up on the meeting point if you don't have these with you. If you need any help in getting these stuff, search tons of information here or ask on the forum and many offroaders will be happy to guide you to buy these before the drive.

No problem Shaaz, see you next time.

@Michael Gazi i noticed you have signed up for two drives on Friday. As per our policy we kindly request every member to sign up for 1 drive only between Sunday and Tuesday. From Wednesday onwards we allow a second booking. Please select which drive you will be attending (morning or afternoon). If you wish to join the second drive you can ask in the drive topic to be added to the waitlist. Thanks

I could think of the following - 1. I think they should have tried to recover from the rear. 2. seems like the radio was missing and the Red car was revving even when the recovery car has stopped. 3. Accelerating too hard causing the car too dig in and making recovery more tougher.

@Frederic @Gaurav @Srikumar Thank you for the clarification!

Perfect explanation by Sri and Fredy. Small addon of ground reality: all drive mostly get filled on sunday with tons of waitlist, but on thursday "almost" everyone has a drive. Reason being a lot of drop out happen during the week especially on Wednesday and Thursday, so even if anyone miss the Sunday 7PM, list your name in waitlist as soon as possible.

Let's play a little at "What could have gone wrong?". Any comments on this successful recovery? What would you have done differently, and what could have happened (that luckily didn't)? VID-20201205-WA0007.mp4

Thanks @Rahimdad Below i have added the 3.0 SOHC 24 Valve engine specs as well. And some detailed explanation on how the MIVEC system works on the 3.8 engines (taken from 3SI.org): The MIVEC system features separate cam profiles for high and low engine speed modes, which translates to higher maximum power and increased usable torque in the widest variety of driving conditions. Under low-rev conditions, MIVEC selects the smaller cam profile, yielding medium lift on the cam profile which provides stable combustion and lower emissions. But when the throttle is opened wide and engine speed reaches 4300 rpm, MIVEC allows the intake valves a longer duration and longer stroke, thus providing maximum and efficient power and torque over a broader range of engine speeds. The enhanced power output of the MIVEC system is achieved by its ability to vary the lift and duration of the intake valves. In the MIVEC system, there are three distinct cam profiles that create two engine modes: a low-speed mode, consisting of low- and mid-lift cam profiles; and a high-speed mode. The low- and mid-lift cams and rocker arms – which drive separate intake valves – are positioned on either side of a centrally located high-lift cam. The high-lift cam is directly connected to a T-shaped lever, which controls valve lift and duration of both intake valves in the high engine-speed mode. At lower engine speeds, the T-shaped levers connected to the high-lift cams reciprocate freely without contacting intake-valve rocker arms, thus allowing the low- and mid-lift cam lobes to control corresponding intake-valve lift and timing. The intake rocker arms contain internal pistons retained by springs in a lowered position at less than 4300 rpm, to avoid contacting the high-lift T-shaped levers. The benefit of the dual-profile low-speed mode is to induce swirl within the cylinder, which helps create stable combustion and improve emissions. The high-speed mode opens the valves longer due to its higher lift. At high engine speeds, the pistons within the rocker arms elevate when MIVEC sends increased oil pressure through an oil control valve. The high-lift cams’ T-shaped levers are then able to directly contact the elevated rocker-arm pistons, overriding the low-speed cam lobes and fully controlling intake-valve lift and duration. The switch occurs at approximately 4300 / 4000 rpm 4G69 / 6G75), when the powertrain control module opens the valves longer to increase the amount of intake airflow, resulting in higher engine output. More precisely, MIVEC switches to the higher cam profile as engine speed increases, and drops back to the lower cam profile as engine speed decreases; the output torque of the low- and high-speed modes overlap for a brief period. This also means that the cam switch operation is transparent to the driver, who is simply rewarded with more power. Under low-rev conditions the low- and mid-lift cam lobes drive the intake valves, providing better fuel economy and lower emissions. But when the throttle is opened wide and engine speed increased, MIVEC gives the valves a longer duration and higher lift, thus providing maximum and efficient power and torque over a very broad range of engine speeds. Despite its technological complexity, the basic workings of the MIVEC engine system can be expressed quite simply: MIVEC alters the cam profiles, tailoring engine performance to suit your driving needs. The MIVEC system was made to compete against the VVT-I (Toyota) and VTEC (Honda systems). The engine on my little blue is a 3.0 12Valve, so performance is even lower. (about 150 Hp at 250 Nm). Have seen an engine curve on the internet a long back but can't seem to find it anymore.

@Frederic Thank you very much for your detailed comparison. No doubt a little extra is always better if I compare with my Pajero i.e.3.5 Ltr. I have always struggled while climbing hills, but other than that. I have started loving my baby elephant . up till now, I am driving it as a complete stock. But taking care of engine Oil / Air filter and changed spark plugs once. however after driving with regular tires in desert, I have started feeling a bit wobbling in my tires at the high speed on the highways. Got the Alignment and balancing checked, had been recommended to change the tires. apart from that, enjoying this LWB 2006 at its fullest. Truly I was lucky to got it agency maintained by the previous owner. Cheers.

sorry guys, here you go

As a budget option it is perfectly doable to keep the rear speakers connected to your head-unit IF your headunit is of decent quality. The reason for this is that your front speakers matter the most in providing you a clear crisp detailed stereo image, so most of your budget should go to that. Rear speakers are meant as "infill" to compliment to the overall sound in your car. In sound level you should be aiming at a 70/30 rate in which 70% of the power is made by the front speakers, and 30% is the sound coming from the rear. A Subwoofer is ideally meant to compliment the lack of low frequencies your front and rear speakers can play. Everything below 80hz can be filtered and sent to the subwoofer if the amplifier has a Low Pass Filter (LPF) on board. The front and rear speakers are not made for that anyways. Unfortunately 95% of the sound systems i hear in cars is ALL BASS and nothing else. I stepped away from that whole audio scene long time back after i noticed some car manufacturers (especially German) really stepped up their game with decent speakers, and sometimes built-in subwoofers. They are far from perfect, but with a bit of EQ and some small improvements you will have very decent sound quality in a premium vehicle without the need to tear it all apart and replace.

Makes perfectly sense. Thank you for the reminders.

Please add me to Waiting list.