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Yes I did, she went from dark blue to metallic blue

Reviving this topic since i started messing around with my Patrol. I have been looking for the best way to disable the following (in one go): 1. Traction Control 2. ESP 3. ABS Since i have seen kill switches being installed by some so called "reputable" workshops in an absolute horrendous way, i am looking for a clean setup that i can do myself. So far i have been disabling Traction control by using the button on the center console. and the ESP by pushing in the little button on the brake pedal (thanks @Imteeaz for sharing this). It is however a bit annoying that whenever you go to 4Lo or restart the engine you need to do the same procedure. Now the next step is to get the ABS disabled too. There are indeed a couple of fuses in the engine bay which could be removed but i'd rather not do that. After some small research i found there is a small 7.5 Amp mini-fuse in the fusebox underneath the steering wheel. If i remove that i noticed Traction control, ESP, and ABS all disabled in one go ! But weirdly enough speedometer stops working, and the odometer does not count anymore.... so that basically means my offroad miles are not being counted 😆 Next step will be to obtain something like this from Amazon: or this: And inbetween the red wires a small switch. That should hopefully work. If anyone has more experiences or other tricks/hacks please so share them.

It's a good and safe practice to join a lower-level drive after a big gap and it's even more advisable when you have a change of vehicle too. As you have had 1 FB plus in Sep 2022, that's why Varun took this call, if it was 5-6 FB+ then it would have been passable but with caution.

It's better to learn from other people mistakes by analyzing these offroad accidents or mistakes done by thousands of offroaders every year. This will be an educational tool with open discussions regarding mishaps in off-roading based on your own experience and off-road knowledge. Please keep it simple and relevant for learning purposes rather than making any insulting or unwanted remarks. The whole objective is to learn from other offroaders mistake so we can off-road safely. VID-20180502-WA0000.mp4

Looks Killer. Cant wait to see it in the flesh

Hey @Vanessa8580, Great to see you back in the sands! Heard you got her painted a different blue. Share pics pls

Now this scenario of slowing , stalling at that particular moment when taking the turn and the vehicle in such inclination has many reasons either vehicle related or driver related and both lead to the end fact that the front wheels cease rolling to bring the nose down as a result what ever was left from the direction of previous momentum act like a gentle push to flip a suddenly stalled inclined vehicle .

The soft sand build wall immediately and easily to the opposit side of sharp turn beside the tires which act as a fulcrum and the height of the car becomes the lever and needs a pointed finger to push the top of the care pressing this lever turning in to the side ( this is another reason where a non compensated high lifted car are prone to such flips ) Good point never leave the gas while turning , just gently keep the tires on rolling otherwise you will loose track anyway , off-course not against gravity obviously

It doesn't only happen on high, steep, sharp dunes. VID-20210111-WA0012.mp4

Very good observation and question. All these extreme failure happen (stalling engine, catching fire, etc.) when driver start modifying too much with car engine and/or engine management system (re-tune, supercharge, turbo etc.) without testing the stuff properly with an aim to get 400 hp from 200 hp motor. At 00:18 seconds you can hear the rev limiter and by no means it sounds or climb like a stock FJC on a slipface. Majority failure happen due to extreme modifications and that's why RTA and Insurance company wont support cars with mods. And second group of failure (minor though) with lack of schedule maintenance.

Thanks for posting this Dr @Mohamed Seidam. I think this was already posted earlier. From my point of view the car for some reason stalled as I cannot hear the engine at the point the FJ starts slipping and thus I feel he did not have steering as well. Really sad.

Another one , fighting gravity in wrong angle ! , in other words let the momentum that you carry ( like up hill climb or side slope ) fight for you cause if you let you engine fight late and not from the beginning it will almost always end like that . I am least experience and hence I say it

Unfortunately it’s keeping us busy always and we never complain !

Agree with you @Chaitanya D and for this reason I keep posting these clips here and there and I encourage every one to put any positive input to learn realize so slowly slowly each one can develop his approach in safe environment 👍

No flag and with the sand shooting up should have alerted the driver behind to check before proceeding. To be honest, this scenario is something I am always afraid of. 👀

Wrong way of criss crossing, he should have been ride over the ridge little bit further down and cross the other side of the dune.

Three things were wrong - too much speed - wrong approach angle - he should ride the Crest for some distance and cross rather than jump over. Additionally , probably the sand was softer on the other side of the Crest.

Agree. Approach should either be straight up or a wider angle for criss-crossing - he was in-between. Also no momentum, so no chance to steer down on the other side and use gravity to recover. Driver seems very inexperienced with insufficient following distance. With no seatbelts they were lucky that only Pajero was dented. Also no off-road flags to be seen anywhere - something that I have unfortunately observed quite a few times lately.

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I've been "out" more than you can imagine. If you combine your last 10 years of off roading, won't equal to 1 year of mine So let's not get into that debate, because I'm tired of repeating myself here. 😉

I read the co driver actually broke a few vertebrae in that crash.

Yeah I forgot, races aren't meant to play safe and survive, as all racers have 9 lives. Press enter to reset.

And probably cracked a few vertebrae, sprained a few discs in his lower back plus suspension components and mounts.

He wanted to go straight and fly and land on flat ground but for some reason he slowed at last moment and tried to cross sideways but he couldn't control. Fellow driver did it VID-20200115-WA0036.mp4 VID-20200115-WA0052.mp4

"The gravity you mustn't fight......"

Regardless of anything I must give kudos to the guy who packed and then strapped down the cargo in bed, even after a roll most of it was still there. Only a person who has worked in the desert with loaded pickups can appreciate that.

@Rahimdad Okay, i will see expert comments to get more on this!!

My first experience in over 11 years of driving off-road. I have seen a few flips, but being inside the car during the roll was my first. When the car started to fish tail I remember telling @Mohammed Yaasir to turn left and go down, but just than I felt an upward movement and I knew at that speed we were in trouble. It was over in less than a second in my mind but video seems like slow motion. @Mohammed Yaasir also feels that he turned left, but when we got out from the car the wheels we pointing right. Like his spirit though as he has not let this incident dampen his spirits and is still looking for some action shortly. Big thanks to @Mohammed Yaasir allowing us to share this video for learning purpose and @Jamy B. for not wasting any time doing so. Just to understand better if @Mohammed Yaasir was nervous at that point as we have often noticed that when panicked people normally confuse the left and the right. Just one more thing to add, as the car had started fishtailing the sand would have gathered in a way to automatically steer the car to the right, it could be a Loose grip on the steering wheel that could also result in this roll over.

Yes this appears to be the issue.

Yes everyone is doing well, thank god. Mohammed got the cops paper and it will be sorted soon with insurance. Does anyone spotted big dip or bush at 0.07 sec that bounced the car heavily....? Watch in full screen. Also intention to steer left than climbing up as desertdude rightly mentioned would have saved it completely. FJC in stock state is very tipsy, added with 3-4 inch lift is a recipe for disaster. We have mentioned and pointed same last week at Qudra exit and we never knew this could prove fatal so fast. Sad. However, such incident always remind all of us that every sport has some associate risk and soon we acknowledge, embrace and learn to stay clear from such risk, better it is for everyone.

What went wrong here? VID-20191113-WA0002.mp4

@Javier M your video is a good example of what newbis and fewbis hear all the time us jabering when someone gets stuck if its front or rear heavy and @desertdude your video is a clear example of what not to do when off roading but one thing is clear if there are more poeple in a single area its always a good idea to juist steer clear and go to someplace else where there is less traffic so there is even less chance to get f**ked up... @Emmanuel your video has the guy fishtailing and loosing control

they Hit their head when born ..

I agree, guy was just busy pushing the gas pedal and looking 2 meter ahead only. My actual concern is who will winch these two guys now and how many calories workout is needed? It's a @Frederic and @Shamil style "joint-stuck" together.

Good input, but there is more. Any other takers?

I am glad that @Gaurav and @Srikumar said exactly what was on my mind. I just didn't want to say it first as i thought it would be best for the seniors to give their opinion. I too, totally agree that this mishap could have happened on any drive level as this particular incident had nothing to do with the "drive level" as such. In fact, this could have even happened in an absolute newbie drive. I have successfully crossed ridges on an angle, quite a few times before, so i know that i am capable of doing the same in an error free manner. On that particular day, it was an error on judgement in my part and in no way am i allowing this incident to discourage me from driving again on any level that the seniors deem fit for me to drive. In fact, on the contrary, I will be exercising way more caution going forward which will actually help me to become a better driver who is aware of the risks associated with ridge crossing.

Thanks @Gaurav bhai for your encouraging words. Really looking forward to resume once the car is up and running. Thank you for your kind words @Frederic. And yea - definitely looking forward to many many more rides with you guys in the future. You guys rock! Thanks @Srikumar. Thanks @syedyaseer for your kind words.

Well for one thing driver seemed to be distracted momentarily by the passenger pointing out at where they were supposed to be. In the desert a moment of distraction is enough to cause this result. Plus I think the were riding the ridge, so most probably the car was heavier to the left when shown to go right he tried to fight gravity to go right and ended up with the flip. Jeeps are a bit unstable in these kind of situations and one should always be more cautious when doing such manoeuvres in the Jeep. BTW the JL looks pretty good with an easy exit after the flip.

May be lack of communication to use proper throttle, speed and Power.

Thank you @Chirag S. and @syedyaseer. Partly right. The speed was his enemy, but I guess it was deliberate as he wanted all 4 tires in the air. Maybe car was loaded to one side or he had a bad angle to take off, as the car tilted in the air. Once landed that hard on one side with tires bouncing the car the other side and due to excessive speed no time to control the maneuver causing the roll.

may be he lost balance due to overspeeding and after crossed the bump, his car was in air too and lost control!!

People in tracksuits.... need we say more 🙄. All kidding aside: * Towing on such an inclined slope comes with big risks. Far too many people around and even one guy holding on to the tow cable= utter stupidity. * Car was probably in neutral. In this case would have been better in P. * A second tow rope could have been used to keep the car in its position. * doesn’t Wrangler have a button on the dashboard that automatically flips the car when pushed ? 😂 Hahaha you read my mind !

The car was not in gear (seems it was in Neutral), which should have been as the it was on a slope. Also the flipped vehicle should have been secured from the opposite side with a snatch rope which could have avoided this situation.

Thanks @Rahimdad for creating this wonderful thread and always adding new incidents to discuss and let newbie learn the offroad accident reasons. Hope now newbies realize that we always insist on doing small U-TURN on your first sideys so you can learn how your vehicle reacts on the slope and you can learn to countersteer immediately if car fishtail and about to flip.

Thank you @Gaurav and @skumar83 for you views. Both of you have got it right. I have once before seen similar flip in Faqa area with a fellow offroader. The main culprit is the Jeep's Center of gravity is very high due to the lift and no spacers to even out the lift. Sometimes people buy fully modded Jeeps but with no experience in handling such a ride. The more experienced people normally judge the person by this highly modded vehicle and accept people for drives beyond their capacity. Judging by the speed and the way he approached the ridge cutting it is evident that he does not have such experience. This further endorses the grading structure we have introduced for people to better understand the importance of joining their level drives.

Speed made him fly and landing angle made him roll down