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@Looper @Pacific @Ignacio Quindós @Stumpy Paj @Yaseen87 @Simon D @Mark B @Tareq Al Turq @Mahmoud Taha @Benjamin @Jessica Lambert @DP1011 @Patrick van der Loo @Bjoern @Gurcharan Mehta @Gary F & @Mahmoud Taha Just for Info and last little comparison for you guys are the two different routes for Myself and Looper took, color coded appropriately . Yellow Line = Faqa Express Looper Convoy 1 Red Line Faqa = high speed freight line Davie Convoy 2

Thank you @Looper and @Benjamin for phrasing my disaster day so positively And thank you to you both and @DP1011 for your fast and efficient rescues. @Looper kindly offered to let me try my hand one more time, but from experience I know that pop outs are a plague for me- where there's one, there's more! Plus the butterfly effect as Looper pointed out. I didn't want to keep delaying what was supposed to be Faqaa *Express*, so I'm off to have those tyres refitted and that valve replaced and try again another day. Thanks to all for their patience!

Thank you @Davie Chase for the drive also your patience 🙏. in the last two drives I always give you a hard time with many shoveling and pop outs. You are a great leader. Thank you @DP1011 @Felix Obst @Joseph Sebastian@Frans M@Stan@Marketa Dobesovafor your help. Sorry for the extra time 😅.

Late post 😅, Thank you @Frederic for arranging the drive, @Davie Chase for leading the drive, I got almost everything including a pop out 😅. Thanks @Dodi Syahdar and @Amr Aydin for your support. was great drive again with @Frans M @Marketa Dobesova@Ahmad Nerat @Glenn W @Bjoern @Emmanuel

I am not sure, but what I am sure of is that I am not going to be seeing the rear view mirror 😂

Short wheelbase. Proper rear-end taillights. And your setup. Perfect recipe there @Bravoecho 😍 Thanks for sharing numbers! Helps puts into perspective what the additional doors take away from the car.

That statement is more made after seeing how BFG performs on different cars in the club and a couple of friends that i go camping with. On a powerful Jeep (280hp on 2000kg car), BFG will perform great as you have plenty of power anyways to deal with the fact that the tyre is heavier. Loss in climbing ability would be negligible. On a LWB Patrol Super Safari (250hp on 2600kg car), BFG will perform great on wadis and rocks, but become quite heavy on a car that's already a bit underpowered in stock version. Climbing big dunes would become an issue. People often think, "oh it's only 2,5kg per tyre difference" for example, but this is not static mass like your vehicle weight, but rotational mass, which has an effect on how the car accelerates. Anyhow you can sleep well at night @DP1011, as a Rubicon would fly up the dunes even on wooden wheels

Yellow jeep Looper Red Davie🤪

Chivalry and marshal politeness: "I join your drive (Salamat), and next time you join my (night) drive" 👍🏻

my car's not yet equipped with overlanding gear, so I planned to sleep in Adnoc that has 24/7 security and no scorpions... or crash into @Mus_hus78 's warehouse 😂 Adnoc preferable cos i get hungry and food is just outside 😁 Actually I plan to end with @Looper's drive to make it a hat-trick drive 😂

I dyno'd my stock LWB and at-wheel was 190 whp with my Michelin LTX Force 🤣

When it comes to tyres, as @Frederic has stated above, I love my new Michelin LTX Force (275/65/R17). I got them in December and have so far put on 6,000km across wadis, dirt tracks, dunes, and of course endless tarmac getting there. They are an excellent on-road tyre. The G015 was a softer tyre but after seeing three fail on me, I did not want to try my luck any further with them. However, I'm hearing that me and a few others may have just been part of a bad batch. @MrT, I see that you have a Super Safari. It comes stock with 17" rims while the Safari trim line of the same Y61 Patrol like the one @Bravoecho has comes stock with a 16" rim. The two sizes are not interchangeable as the rim size dictates the bead radius and diameter. Hence, you have two choices here: Route #1 Stick with the stock 17" rims, and continue with 275/65/R17 (left below) or size up to a 275/70/R17 (right below). The /70 will give you a 0.6" bigger sidewall and hence also a natural lift from your tyres. Deflated down, it will give you a larger contact surface area. It will be a heavier tyre and have some impact on how you read your speeds because you are changing from stock configuration so you will need to account for that. Route #2: If you plan to change shocks and raise your car in the future Phase A: Change your rims down to 16" with at least -15 offset (ET -15), and get the 275/70/R16 Why negative offset rims? The stock rims on the Nissan Patrol Y61 are positively offset at 10mm so they are deeper inside the wheel well. If you are planning on adding a suspension lift in the future, your center of gravity will shift and hence you would need to correct for it. A negative offset of 15mm, will widen your overall track by 50mm (2 x 25mm (+10mm + -15mm)) keeping your wheels still within the well but giving you better balance offroad. The 275/70/R16 is almost an identical tyre to your current 275/65/R17 but it has the benefit of a much larger sidewall an not being significantly heavier. It's a great solution for on-road comfort, mileage returns and offroad capability. If you want to get better mileage, you should always size down on width therefore 275 --> 265 --> 255 (Pizza Cutter). Don't do this for the desert because a narrower tyre reduces contact surface area. Phase B: Add a 1.5"/2" lift through upgrades heavy duty springs and shocks **Only do this when you feel like your nose is bottoming out or you are finding it difficult to climb in choppy dune areas because the stock suspension is rebounding a lot more than it should. Unless you get to this point in your driving, you will not be extracting any new value out of your upgraded suspension setup.

Yes it was a bit challenge considering the terrain. But it was fun on the sand and sometimes in the sand. All were driving great.

Butterfly effect: In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state. In my opinion above is the prevailing factor for everything that happens during a drive. Perhaps the first turn that I took into the dunes determined what happened in the rest of the drive. In that sense we as off-roaders should always be open to every eventual outcome that might occur during the drive and it is true for every single time for everyone without any exceptions. It was a full house and it was fantastic drive today. Everyone kept on with the pace with what I was trying to do throughout the drive and hopefully got the adrenaline rush that they desire. For me it is still the dopamine that was needed and I got a healthy boost out of the drive. @Mahmoud Taha you were excellent for a 2nd lead - you kept your distance and kept an eye on me and always made minor adjustments wherever necessary. @Benjamin while I did not specifically mentioned in the convoy order - you were in fact the centre forward for the drive. Without your help we would have taken a lot more time in the business of fixing things. @DP1011 it is always a fun experience with you in the drive. I appreciate the insight you bring to every drive and hope to see you next time. @Jessica Lambert thanks to your couple of pop-outs we three of us became a lot more confident in fixing pop-outs and it was an valuable experience and thanks for affording this opportunity. Just remember the Butterfly effect, there is not escape from it and there could not be any different outcome from the moment we started. We all passthrough these situations and it is part of the sport we indulge in. @Patrick van der Loo, @Bjoern, @Gary F & @Gurcharan Mehta you guys were excellent and did a great job in keeping up with the pace of entire drive, in both fast parts as well as the slow parts. See you all in the next instalment of Looper's loops. Some stats and pics: PS: I don't trust these stats. They are just indicative. e.g. we all definitely did more than 56kmph. this is just an indicative metrics just to see and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Tequila!

It’s a drive I’ve been waiting to post as well for a long time… and glad to see the usual suspects!!!

@Srikumar Bhai 🚙, is it still a FB+ Drive , I see 8 of 9 are IM and @Gary F is 0.5 IM Edit : Got my answer now, with @Asif Hussain bhai, 10th legend joining 😄

Thanks @munkybizness. I'm enjoying taking my time and researching the best options. Decided to do the dyno becuase i'm only interested in changes that yield a result rather than sound or look good. I always received a different number when I asked others about HP and torque so figured the only way to get a answer that relates to me is to obtain my own figures. I also see varying numbers in relation to weight but don't know where I can get this done in Dubai

I actually did the same last week @munkybizness . Wanted to get a base line on the car before I start the "enhancements". 205 WHP with the new tyres I mentioned above and 247 foot pounds of torque

That's normal: Understanding Gross Versus Net Horsepower Ratings > Ate Up With Motor WHP to HP Calculator - H Calculator

@MrT I have just done this recently myself on my 2016 Y61 SWB and I went with the Geolander however I chose a different size then the standard 275/65/17. I ended up going up a size to the 285/75/16 (I have 16" rims/not sure whether they do this size for 17" rims) and the reason being at this size it is the light truck tyre which means a 10 ply sidewall (two more than the KO2) larger block size in the tread but at the sime time you retain the optimal G015 tread pattern. The tyre is heavier then the standard size G015 however with the weight of the patrols that we have I haven't noticed too much of a difference. You would need a lift to fit these however their ability to hold the car on the dune has really impressed me. Hope this helps

@Looper what a fantastic drive! I’m really glad I didn’t miss out on this one! Thanks for the opportunity to take on CF for the first time! It was a valued experience for me even with some of my minor refusals today Like most drives I like to take as much away from these experiences to help benefit myself and others in being as safe as possible in the desert. This time around I got the opportunity and more-so experience on fixing pop-outs which is always something that should be practiced as often as possible @Jessica Lambert I’m sorry you had to be exited early still though you helped me get the experience I needed to understand the technique of fixing these pop-outs; I hope to see you in the next one! @DP1011 another great drive to tick off! As usual you performed amazing in the back! I hope to join you soon in support crew @Patrick van der Loo it was great seeing you again I hope to see you soon in some higher level drives @Bjoern always great to see a familiar face! You always have great control of your jeep. Hope to see you soon! @Gurcharan Mehta & @Gary F great drive! Performed amazing

With the summer in full swing, the time is right to hit the home turf of Sweihan for a fast paced Night Drive. This is a call out to all those who need the rush of adrenaline by being on the edge of your seats as we roar our way through the night. We will find bowls, long sideys, ridges and criss-cross dunes in the Night's darkness with only our headlights to guide us through. So drivers, Start your engine!!! GENERAL OVERVIEW We request every member that joins this drive to go through the below information and strictly follow these guidelines, etiquettes and responsibilities. MUST READ AND COMPLY Offroad Flag Guideline Two Way Radio Guideline Off road Driving Etiquette's Emergency details for all off-roaders Off Road Driving - Roles & Responsibilities DRIVE DETAILS Level: Fewbie Plus and above When: 26 May 2023, Friday Meeting time: 9:30 PM - Sharp (Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/ycN6CbtMcx9efCx49?coh=178573&entry=tt Approximate finish time: 1:00 AM, Saturday Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Mandatory off-road gears: Tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, compressor, walkie-talkie radio, off-road flag, shovel, first-aid kit, Tow Rope, 2 Shackles and fire extinguisher. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE This drive is limited to 10 cars only. RSVP will close on Wednesday - 10 AM If the RSVP is full, you can add your name to the waitlist, once anyone drops, you will be moved to the RSVP list. RSVP will close couple hours prior to preparing a convoy list. Latecomers will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Members without RSVP will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON BELOW CALENDAR

Thanks @Looper a really enjoyable well paced Saturday morning drive. I had lot of fun , and I mean this in earnest it was fun, with the challenge of turning circles following the tracks of your SWB Wrangler. I looked up the specs JL , JLU and JT 34.5 feet = 10.52 meters 40.8 feet = 12.44 meters 44.5 feet = 13.56 meters Bonus points for ending the drive in a parking lot. always good to catch-up @Bjoern @Patrick van der Loo @Benjamin happy you got to try out the new jack and jack support board. It was also fun following directly behind you. @Jessica Lambert good to see you, hope the tire issue gets resolved . Let us know if it was a defect or just the tire itself.

Almost all Jeeps with 285s have lift. When I upgraded to 285 I drove without lift for few days and in my observation 285s will rub to the fender in sharp turns on Tarmac and definitely off-road. Also they don’t feel right driving without a lift steering will seem heavy. You would be better off with 265s if you don’t plan a lift kit. I am not sure about 265 but you definitely need wheel spacers with 285s.

Thanks Benjamin! In Morocco for business and pleasure but I will see you next week! I am definitely up for that! Danke! Next week amigo. Work and play in Morocco this week!

@Pacific You noticed lol

26th May is already pay day... don't tell the wife that 1000dhs already spent on fuel to Sweihan! 😂

@Zed Are you getting petrol from Oman or you discovered a well somewhere in backyard or got all your cars EV ?

no camping but all set for the rush !

@Looper added WL for 3rd drive... if this is the same track like last time, I want to try the Cherokee V8 this time, see which car can climb higher 😂

Bro. start with srikumar and end with gaurav soni. I had the same plan

@Zed U planning to camp with @Jaro Tuzinsky ? !

@GauravSoni added myself to WL for 2nd drive, you know I won't miss your abu dhabi drives... unless Sri decided to extend into a Sunrise drive 😂

@Deepak Eswar - Its a Intermediate Drive, if you are looking for FB drive in Abu Dhabi on Satday , below is your option

I am looking forward for this morning, now 5 days of waiting:) Anyone considering to camp close to the meeting point?

@Patrick van der Loo Congrats Patrick. lets tear up the desert together!

Thanks @Frederic for the detailed response. P.: On this topic, I went far as much i could see, but now I see further more :

I will be doing the same coming summer and after some resource I’ve shortlisted these ones: 1) Michelin LTX AT: amazing feedback from fellow off-roaders @munkybiznessand @Gaurav here. 2) Yokohama Geolander G015: has been my go-to tyre on all my off-road vehicles so far and never really disappointed me. Perfect blend of on road and off-road capabilities and price is affordable. 3) Kumho Road venture AT: noticed recently on @Ahmad Nerathis new FJ and heard good things about them as well. The BF Goodrich KO2 are of course also a great alternative if you spend lots of time in wadis and rocky terrain. Unfortunately for sand they are a bit heavy and would rob you from some climbing ability which is already a bit of an issue on the Y61. Bridgestone Dueler I only have experience with the HT which is not bad but absolutely not a decent off-road tyre. Perhaps the AT version is better but I doubt it.