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Yes I did, she went from dark blue to metallic blue

Reviving this topic since i started messing around with my Patrol. I have been looking for the best way to disable the following (in one go): 1. Traction Control 2. ESP 3. ABS Since i have seen kill switches being installed by some so called "reputable" workshops in an absolute horrendous way, i am looking for a clean setup that i can do myself. So far i have been disabling Traction control by using the button on the center console. and the ESP by pushing in the little button on the brake pedal (thanks @Imteeaz for sharing this). It is however a bit annoying that whenever you go to 4Lo or restart the engine you need to do the same procedure. Now the next step is to get the ABS disabled too. There are indeed a couple of fuses in the engine bay which could be removed but i'd rather not do that. After some small research i found there is a small 7.5 Amp mini-fuse in the fusebox underneath the steering wheel. If i remove that i noticed Traction control, ESP, and ABS all disabled in one go ! But weirdly enough speedometer stops working, and the odometer does not count anymore.... so that basically means my offroad miles are not being counted 😆 Next step will be to obtain something like this from Amazon: or this: And inbetween the red wires a small switch. That should hopefully work. If anyone has more experiences or other tricks/hacks please so share them.

It's a good and safe practice to join a lower-level drive after a big gap and it's even more advisable when you have a change of vehicle too. As you have had 1 FB plus in Sep 2022, that's why Varun took this call, if it was 5-6 FB+ then it would have been passable but with caution.

I think its about Ego which should be left at home when coming out to off-road. I can do better and longer than him.

Extreme fish tailing and fighting gravity - one of the common causes for roll over

I think the Prado guy was distracted by his girlfriend trying to feed him grapes.

very soft sand should generally be avoided I think. no one would expect this on such a hill...

Thank you @Mohamed Seidam for posting this and very good observation from @N@ved. I would like to hear more comments from more newbies who are trying to learn the art of off-roading.

Let's play a little at "What could have gone wrong?". Any comments on this successful recovery? What would you have done differently, and what could have happened (that luckily didn't)? VID-20201205-WA0007.mp4

We need to change the title on this one from "What went wrong ?" to "What went right" !

@Ahab Shamaa none of us would remember everything until we started to preach it. Now it's part of our DNA. We didn't by heart everything overnight, but little by little. That's why we have a grading structure and feed it to you little by little so that at each level you can learn and perfect your skill. As you come closer to becoming one of the senior members, you'll be the one preaching and someone will be telling you it's difficult to remember everything. 😇 @Mohamed Seidam brother. Great video to post, but a lot to learn from here also. Fighting gravity is part of our hobby. When we are side slopping we are defying and fighting gravity as it gives us the thrill. But more importantly as you grow in the sport you'll realize there are areas where we have no choice but to defy every logic in the book. When we go to Liwa for instance we have to defy gravity through narrow nooks and corners and stay aware throughout as any lapse in concentration can be disastrous. Everything we learn at any level is important to use in future whenever you're faced with any situation. @Gaurav bhai is testament to the Pajero bowl in Wagan which comes with a one way ticket unless you're ready to give gravity a nasty fight. Still it could take the whole of your winch and 4 ropes to pull you out of it. The video just posted by you is not about fighting gravity, that was the manoeuvre he was trying, due to sand you can't see much, but the revving of the engine stops just before you see the dust settle and FJ flip. I can think of 3 reasons why it happened. 1) the driver got scared and let go of the accelerator. 2) the drivers foot slipped from the accelerator pedal. 3) the engine stalled. I would put down all 3 as driver's mistake. Don't be scared, stay calm and steer down if in doubt. Wear proper foot wear for your foot not to slip off the pedals. Keep your ride in good shape, it's your responsibility. off-roading is an extreme sport and thus gives us a lot of thrills and joy. From our side we should be strong in our basic skills required for this sport and keep our rides in good nick.

@Ahab Shamaa any advice coming from @Rahimdad is gold. His experience, and the fact that he can do virtually anything with a very regular car (no disrespect is meant) shows you how it's always the driver's choice to make the difference. In the case of the almost roll-over, no amount of power, no super high clearance, no other fancy mod, would have saved the driver. It was just his luck that the car didn't roll. Going back to Rahim bhai's advise, if the Pajero had approached from a wider/higher angle, and had stayed higher on the slope, he would have gained/kept the momentum (why do you think parabolic curves aid drivers in race tracks?), and gravity would not have taken over. Having failed that, of course, his capital sin was fighting gravity (he should have gone down the slope to his left, and re-attampted). This weekend be ready to put Rahimdad's suggestions to good use. There'll plenty of slopes to ride slopes, and plenty of opportunities to climb them, or to make a safe exit, rather than fighting a losing uphill battle.

Fighting gravity is already the first thing, but then we see him reversing full throttle, which makes me think this driver really has to learn to control his vehicle.

@Gaurav Flag !!

Besides the flag and communication common sense is also not there. On 6th second you can see sand flying meaning the FJ was stuck. Without paying heed just go with the flow. Typical attitude of people not paying attention to their surroundings.

indecision between doing side-sloping or crisscrossing; wrong speed and angle for the both anyway...

1) fighting gravity 2) not putting on seat belt

Honestly and without reading the further comments I wanna give it a try of what I think first : it seemed as it’s a “ pull to flip “ rather than pull/ tug to recover 🤔 second : the recovery car and the FJC both going against gravity ( for the FJC it’s obvious , and for the Pagero what got it worse is the recovery rop from the middle was elevated by small ground hump acting like a pulley with upward direction of about 30 degree and together with the rope angle it’s plus 60 toward left ( already the FJC was stuck in a tilt right up ) third : non kinetic rope fourth : no sand clearance fifth : both vehicles needed to be redirected for better recovery sixth : rear tug abit could save all day by permitting more distance in front of FJC to later go forward using created slop momentum Seventh : if its me as a newbie I would feel comfortable to do what I am not sure of and I will ask for advice if alone ( I will not go alone off course ) or seek advice from others more experience in the group

USE Flags and cummunicate before moving on dead spot

Hardly an expert but I’ll give it a shot. 1) didn’t do a slower trial run to check the bumps 2) too much speed. It is not that steep and does not require so much momentum 3) angle is incorrect ?

He was too slow, should have pushed it a bit more! 🤣

That’s exactly why we keep preaching to leave your egos at home during off-roading. It eventually goes wrong and the desert “giveth but also taketh”..😉

I think the high speed was an ego thing and they definitely learnt that you dont need the biggest balls and show them off. #slowandsteadywinstherace as for the prado, he fought gravity hence he rolled down. all would've been avoided if he straightened up and reversed down. These videos make me very happy that we have experienced offroaders with us giving us tips and advice thru every situation as i think some of these people in the videos werent so lucky.

Clearly a very sharp angle on both sides of the ridge to get a lifted Wrangler stuck like that. The exact wrong time to show off. Too fast, poor choice of line. Love this helpful way to learn @Rahimdad

Carrying too much speed and the approach angle

Maybe @Xaf can teach him, how to land safely.

Gaurav, I would just like to add that when we add suspension lift, we have to keep 2 things in mind. 1. Make sure you select the correct springs for the weight of your car. Too stiff and you'll be bouncing all about making the car hard to control, too soft and you'll feel all the bumps and it won't ride well on the road and will have a lot of body roll. 2. Everyone always remembers to lift the car but everyone forgets that in order to maintain the OEM center of gravity, you need to widen the wheel base too! A good quality wheel spacer will cost you 800-1000 for 4 Pcs. When we widen our track width, it allows the car to have a lower center of gravity which helps in such situations. A good example is to take one finger and roll it on the table sideways, see how easy it rolls? Now put 2 fingers and do the same, the force required to turn the fingers is much harder! Physics is your best friend! "Drop a Gear and Disappear"

Looks like he was approaching quite fast, and hit the brakes quickly when he saw the road ahead wasn’t clear.

Actually the Wrangler didn’t decelerate at all, as if he couldn’t see that the first car was cresting. Lack of attention? Do Wranglers have a visibility problem at this angle (I don’t know, never really drove one)?

Hey Shamil, Glad to know that you're alright! Although the rollover occurred, you were able to analyze the mistake. I would also like to add that in such situations (during the cresting) you should never be hesitant to take the crest even one bit, hesitance will cause a driver to be unsure of what they are doing and slow their reaction time when its needed the most. This is a very serious hobby and one must be alert at all times. Another thing I noticed is that once you took the crest, you pressed the brake. Hard braking in the desert with cause the tires to dig or push the weight of the car to areas you dont want it, if in an emergency make sure you brake only when the car is facing downwards, any sideways braking is asking for trouble! I'm happy to hear that you'll be coming back stronger ! I'll see you in December where I may or may not tease you a little about XTerras ! Drive Hard, Crest Safe! Cheers, Jas

This could have been well avoided if the had real-time communication

He pulled it at an angle. Always try to pull in a straight line.

I agree. I must admit that I don’t have a clear explanation for this one, only hypothesis.

Instead of hard brake he could turn right and come down.

Also, possibly he could have turn his steering towards gravity side along with braking and mild acceleration might helped

Over-speeding for sure, May be he hasn't read other side of the dune or judgement error

@Frederic i managed to find your land cruiser before the flip-flop

Looks like he turned at the very last moment towards the left instead of going towards the right or down the slope and braked due to which he lost momentum and rolled over.

When he crossed he kept the steering left and collect sand in front of tire.

3. Not sure he was actually intending to try a side pass, I think he had already lost control.

And also the pickup driver should have given more gas !

Indeed a stupid angle of recovery, combined with the guy watching from a few meters distance that could have gotten the strap in his face....