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was enjoying this debate while eating popcorn, and I thought when the Crews started giving their advice, this thread would have been finalized, but nooooo 😂 @Josh S the easy answer is if you're driving with Carnity Marshals, 99% you'll drive in 4H. Using @Looper's video here >> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz1suDgNlgq/ you can see the speed stats and he's driving around 50 km / h. Your 2021 Rubicon has the 4:1 Transfer Case Ratio ... Then the max speed is a quarter (1/4) of the max speed in 4H, assuming 160 km/h max in 4H, your 4L max speed is 40 km/h. Any more than that and you're redlining, overheating both your engine and possibly reducing transmission life. Now those other JL Sports have 2.7:1 Transfer Case Ratio, so in 4Lo their max speed is 1/2.7 which is 60 km/h. If they're following Looper in that video, they can drive in 4L and get away with it (although I'd postulate they can't drive too long without breaks). Yes you can run 55 mph (100 km/h) in 4Lo like video below >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEboJi5FhpE Look how "Torquey" the car is when in 4Low. The Marshals who drive in 4Lo usually have these characteristics: 1. They firmly believe the Owner's Manual only applies to Asphalt Traction. When they're driving in very loose traction like super soft sand, 4Low has more tolerances thus you can go higher than the manual says. 2. They have BeadLock Wheels, which are heavier and need more torque to turn than normal lighter stock wheels. 3. They have Heavier Tires, combined with BeadLock most probably 285s (33") or taller. Again, more torque needed to spin the tires. 4. They have 6-speed or 8-speed transmissions, so they can get away with 4Low + 8th Gear which is close to 4High + 1st Gear but more torque. 5. No Carnity Marshals have #1-3 above, so back to original quick rule: when driving with Carnity, use 4High

@Davie Chase Thanks a ton Davie. Well the machine is 2005 Nissan Pathfinder Khaleeji white in color which is a 3.5 V6 producing decent HP’s. I do have all required items for the drive hence looking forward to it. To talk about experience, Yes I’ve done a couple of slighter drive for camping although not so deep in there. It’s time to explore desert in it’s fullest depth and absorb natural vibe’s hence let’s boom boom !!!

Hi @Hani Howeedy welcome to Carnity ! You will find the radios in Dragon Mart, and if you prefer to order them online, you can use their online portal: www.edragonmall.com They deliver within 1-2 days.

Hi everyone glad to join the carniti community. @Davie Chase yeah my rsvp was too early for excitement glad to get the last spot. Details: 2015 Gmc sierra denali no experience in the desert other than the master class with carnity as gaurav was my instructor i have the flag now and still in search for the radio. to follow up yes i have rear and front tow hooks

Mitsubishi, Pajero 3.5 GLS, White Color, 2017 make. No, I do not have any prior off road experience. Yes, Pajero has front and rear eyelets. I have radio Baofeng UV-5R and flag. Eagerly awaiting to start this new adventure. Thanks

DRIVE DESCRIPTION Welcome to Carnity off road club Fewbie drive, meeting at Al Fayah. Expect lots of space, pristine dunes, and soft sands. Please ensure your off-road gear is as per your rank and you bring lots of enthusiasm with you as this will be a drive through a great variety of terrain with a few challenges. Deepak will lead and manage this drive with me. MUST READ AND COMPLY Environmental Policy Offroad Flag Guideline Two Way Radio Guideline Off road Driving Etiquette's Emergency details for all off-roaders Off Road Driving - Roles & Responsibilities DRIVE DETAILS Level: Fewbie and above When: 13 January 2024, Saturday Meeting time: 07:00 am - Sharp (Without any exceptions) Meeting Point: https://maps.app.goo.gl/VAGWQTFzRjdVEbsR9?g_st=ic Approximate finish time: 11:00 am Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance. What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Mandatory off-road gears: Tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, compressor, walkie-talkie radio, off-road flag, shovel, first-aid kit, Tow Rope, 2 Shackles and fire extinguisher. LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE This drive is limited to 10 cars only. RSVP will close on Friday - 12 PM. Please withdraw your RSVP, if you find you are unable to join, so your spot can be taken by others in the waitlist. If the RSVP is full, you can add your name to the waitlist, if an RSVP attendee removes themselves, you will be moved from the waitlist to the RSVP list as an attendee. A convoy list will be sent out the day prior to the drive. Latecomers will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Members without RSVP will be returned back - Without any exceptions. Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month. PLEASE RSVP ON BELOW CALENDAR

@Rpba81 yes if you get a slot you will get notified, I will also send out the convoy order in the forum which will also notify you if you are in the drive 😀

no fewbie drive on sundays??

Thanks @Davie Chase ....looking forward to Al Fayah!!

@Zed - I was just about to start a Beadlock debate

it was a great dive , i enjoyed every bit of it .... thank you @Asif Hussain and the whole convoy for the great drive....

@Prithvi Raj, @Jassislahi, @Hani Howeedy, & @junaidbinnaseer welcome to the Carnity family, as new members to the club please introduce yourselves using the below bullet points if not already done so: First time with Carnity Off-road Club: Please share your vehicle details - Make, Model, Color, and Year. Do you have any prior off-road experience? If yes, pls share details. Confirm your vehicle has front and rear tow hooks/eyelets. Let us know if you don’t have a programable radio and safety flag. Please also watch the MUST WATCH Newbie video briefing at the link below prior to the drive https://youtu.be/hP-2ah4Eyek

@Jassislahi the best advise is to post your questions on the forum, as the advise really depends on your previous experiences, what car you have and any modifications you have made etc. There are a lot of experienced members in the club that will be very happy to give you lots of advice and help.

@Hani Howeedy and @Abdul Hannan looks like the reason you could not get the RSVP to work was that you were a little to quick, I got the notifications 2 minutes to 1900 and the RSVP only opens at 1900 sharp. Great to see how keen you guys are to get out in the sand love the passion @Sunil Mathew I have moved you to the manage tab my friend

@Josh S From what i see you have now completed a handful of drives, and i understand that you might seem confused about this topic. From a Carnity Club perspective there is a couple of reasons why we advise everyone to drive in 4H: 1. We cater to all sorts of different 4x4's. When going through most of the vehicle manuals we noticed it's clearly mentioned you should not drive it in 4L beyond 30km/h. Take note: this depends on the vehicle. A Jeep Wrangler JL can drive in 4L at higher speeds, but we have experienced plenty of issues over the years from people driving low gear for extended periods and the damaged they sustained (drive-line, axles, transfer case). (not necessarily JL models, just 4x4's in general) 2. During your learning experience, driving in 4H will give you a much better driving feedback and smoother approach to off-roading. Your vehicle has MORE than enough power to easily go through all the levels in our club. Our leads also drive in 4H (at least the ones i know ) 3. There are other clubs who drive on extreme levels and probably of them drive in 4L with heavy modified vehicles. If you are keen to drive on that level eventually, be prepared to send off your Jeep to the workshop EVERY week, and every time something breaks, that 200+drives senior marshal will tell you to modify it even further.... further down the rabbit-hole. Our Intermediate level drives are fast and thrilling, but you will notice that most of our leads achieve this with stock 4x4's (or minor mods). At the end of the day we want to go home safely and in one piece (the car as well). Pertaining to your specific case: * Rubicon has the 4:1 transfer case, so if i am not mistaken you'd have to be in 7th or 8th gear in 4L. Limited to 70km/h in 8th gear i think. @Zed might have the gear calculator handy. I would advise to stay in 4H for as long as you can and learn the art of offroading thoroughly first. After 50-60 drives you can start experimenting in various terrain and see if you find improvements. If you decide to drive on extreme/advance levels in the clubs where heavily modded cars with 4L are leading the pack, then you might gonna have to do the same. But in Carnity you'll never need it.