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Time to clear the air. I was super impressed to see that every one here got the correct point and said this roll cage isn't safe without the thick padding. Any roll cage is NOT AT ALL safe without the thick padding, as it will split open the skull. Unless driver is wearing a helmet all the time. I was shocked to see this "Show Car" from one of the top off-road garages with two spare tires strapped in cargo bed for apocalypses days BUT with number plate. God knows whether it was work in progress or finished job, as I have seen this parked in another top shop recently. Well done @Lawrence_Chehimi to point out first. @Niki and @Hisham Masaad good observation to point roll cage on dashboard, but it could be possible that it has support from underneath which we don't see it from outside. If its not supported then it's meaningless and will crush dashboard and windscreen and cause extensive damage than offering any level of protection. @Rawad and @JamesThorn excellent observation for A, B and C pillar support. I too worked for 12 years with Oil and Gas upstream company and know how strict HSE boys are for these safety issues. @Chaitanya D As per RTA, anyone can get permission to install roll cage but with properly padded version and not just plain metal bars like above. Very similar to safari companies roll-cage but for personal or commercial use and still be street legal. @topgear you are right for safari and similar use passenger and driver head is protected. These types are usually used in racing applications as part of stage 1 safety modifications to be used with helmet at all times but without number plate. @Arman true such tubular rock crawling roll cages aren't street legal here in UAE and even in most other countries and these boys load these toys on trailer for playtime.

DRIVE RSVP IS NOW CLOSED One of the things i always loved about Off-roading is the ability to explore new areas and to "boldly go where no others have gone before". The Al Fayah area is also new to me so we will see how it goes and if this area could become one of our new Carnity favorites. The plan is to explore this area and keep a brisk pace as much as we can. Considering this is a Fewbie+ drive you can expect criss-crossings and some challenges along the way to keep all of us entertained. You will find the convoy positions below: 1) Frederic - SWB Blue Pajero - Crew @Frederic 2) Xavier Treasurer - Blue Xterra - Fewbie+ @Xavier Treasurer 3) Humayun Ghias - White Y62 Patrol - Fewbie+ @Humayun Ghias 4) Hasan Wahlan - Landcruiser Beige - Fewbie+ @Hasan Wahlan 5) Mus_hus78 - Pajero LWB Grey - Fewbie+ @Mus_hus78 6) GauravSoni - Pajero LWB Dark Grey - Intermediate @GauravSoni 7) Mario Cornejo - Patrol Y61 SWB - Intermediate @Mario Cornejo 8- Lakshmi Narasimhan - Pajero LWB Champagne - Fewbie+ @Lakshmi Narasimhan 9) Zed - Landcruiser LC100 Black - Fewbie+ @Zed 10) Farouq Owdeh - Jeep Grand Cherokee - Fewbie+ @Farouq Owdeh 11) M.Seidam - Nissan Xterra White - Advisor - @M.Seidam We will be using Channel 2: 446.03125 Mhz. The nearest gas station where you can fill up is here: https://goo.gl/maps/zZ1A1kxAdENTBYuN6 The meeting point is here: https://goo.gl/maps/Y4i9dF21NGZSvdeaA See you guys tomorrow !

Goutam @Goutam Watteau @Watteau varunmehndiratta @varunmehndiratta Dodi Syahdar @Dodi Syahdar Ashok chaturvedi @Ashok chaturvedi Gok Krish @Gok Krish Thomas Varghese @Thomas Varghese Niki @Niki Kalahari @Kalahari Ahab Shamaa @Ahab Shamaa Sometimes, to get where we want to be you must unlearn what you have learned. This is why we are starting our Lisaili drive at the Camel track and not the Fort (which has been a start point of choice for a little while). See you all there tomrrow morning. I leave on time. Convoy numbering below.

Am super excited that I went out to wash the car TODAY before the drive.. my wife thinks am going mad😅..... bro u never know when you are on some photo and it gets posted on Carnity's instagram

Dear Desertnauts A few last minute info about tomorrow afternoon's drive. Meeting time will be 4:00 PM, but I hope we can manage to all arrive a few minutes before, so we can leave as soon as possible. The day will grow cooler soon, so we should not worry too much about the heat of the mid-afternoon. The goal is to cross the tall Murqab's dunes in a north-westerly direction, aiming toward Lisaili, and before reaching it, to cross a couple of sabkhas, with long, low dunes, from where we will actually enter the Lisaili Plateau, in the direction of Solar Park. The added element of complexity of this drive will be the crossing of a relatively technical area, between Murqab and Lisaili, which we usually avoided by crossing it on the so called "Highway to Solar Park" sand track. Not this time. As always on a new route, patience will be required. Other than this, we are looking to drive as far as we can, sunlight permitting. The convoy order will be the following: @Chinthaka Ruwan in Second Lead @Ammar Naji will be #3 @Charbel #4 @Anoop Nair will take #5 @Zixuan Huang - Charlie at #6 @darren thompson will anchor the convoy at Center Forward @Abdul Rafay-S at #8 @Pierre de Maigret will be #9 @Adhir Saxena will drive as #10 @Ali Abas (if you still wish to join the drive, please confirm) at #11, and @Chris Wing will Sweep the convoy. Our Carnity radio channel will be # 2 (446.031). See you all tomorrow afternoon. Enjoy the end of the week. @Ali Abas, I will add you to the convoy list (see my latest post), if you confirm you wish yo join the drive. Thanks

Enjoy the weekend dear @Rizwanm2 expect some snaps from me and also I will through stones on your behalf in the black hole 🕳🤣

If you go with insurance companies such as RSA, AXA and Oman to name a few they don't mention such clause of 500m or 2 km from the road as the coverage area for your vehicle. The only clause they mention that your vehicle should not be involved in any kind of racing, competition, desert safari activities, which does not happen in Carnity.

Dear @Darren Brooke @Matt.T @Ranjan Das @JeromeFJ @Abdul Rahman AK @Danish Mohammad @Russ @Werno @Yusuf Esaf @Rawad Pre-drive details below: 1- weather is getting hot and we want to have an early start hoping to cover majority of the track by 8:30am before heading to the exit to inflat by 9:00am before we get roasted. 2- This requires prompt presence at the meeting point by 4:30am and be ready to move max by 4:45am (deflated, flag erected, 4H on, radio on and set, airbags/traction/abs all set....) 3- Please ensure your radio is on, fully charged, and set to the right frequency: channel 3 (446,056.25) upon arrival to do a quick radio check 4. when you arrive, pls try to take your position (if possible) based on the below convoy order 5- briefing will be done on the radio as we start moving Meeting Point: By Dubai SkyDive (take the underpass to cross the other side of Alain Road then go right till the end of the road, then left before you enter the parking area, another left you should find the convoy ahead of you) https://goo.gl/maps/S4PT8a8WYg8ENs1d6 See you all on the sand 😎 Convoy order:

Thank you @Gaurav @Abdul Rahman AK@Frederic@Lakshmi [email protected]@Ranjan Das😊

Congrats @Ishraque !

Cool! Excited about this one, can’t wait to test out my new skid plate😂

Just to build suspense for tomorrow about the potentially-hostile desert of Al Faya Abu Dhabi... 👇🏻😊 https://www.gulftoday.ae/en/news/2020/07/06/missing-62-year-old-emirati-rescued-from-abu-dhabi-desert

Congratulations @Chinthaka Ruwan for reaching the Fewbie Plus Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE PLUS Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie drives are required within last 6 months for Fewbie Plus promotion. What you'll learn Advance dune and sand reading Advance recovery techniques Rocking and crawling to make path Learn to flatten/compact soft sand patch Self recovery from crest Advance side sloping and long hill climb Advance ridge riding and criss crossing Advance control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving FULLY control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Extremely attentive and focused while driving Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Bash plate and skid plate protected Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie and Fewbie Plus drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Chris Wing for reaching the Fewbie Plus Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE PLUS Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie drives are required within last 6 months for Fewbie Plus promotion. What you'll learn Advance dune and sand reading Advance recovery techniques Rocking and crawling to make path Learn to flatten/compact soft sand patch Self recovery from crest Advance side sloping and long hill climb Advance ridge riding and criss crossing Advance control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving FULLY control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Extremely attentive and focused while driving Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Bash plate and skid plate protected Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie and Fewbie Plus drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Ishraque for reaching the Fewbie Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. FEWBIE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 5 Newbie drives are required within last 3 months for Fewbie promotion. What you'll learn Basic dune and sand reading Self-recovery techniques Shoveling at right place Crawling out of difficult situations Blip Blip - Coordinate steering and gas control Basic side sloping and hill climb Basic ridge riding and criss crossing Basic control over technical dunes Slightly faster pace desert driving Ability to manage stuck/refusals with radio Learn to control and avoid fishtailing Never fight or challenge gravity Skills required Enthusiastic and positive attitude Willingness to learn and help others Presence of mind and attention to detail Car Worthiness Any 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor. Drive teamwork Manage second lead and sweep positions upon request Intuitive and proactive to support Trip Lead Observe recoveries and offer help, when needed Drive Joining Join Newbie and Fewbie drives Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Dear Desertanuts, let's get ready for the closing of this weekend of drives. As already posted, this will be another episode of the Long Range Patrols (also known as the Long Range Desert Group). We'll move from Murqab to Qudra, skirting, but not breaching, the Carnity no-go zone, driving through Lisaili's eastern border (on a new track crossing the previously avoided technical dunes), and from Solar Park, hopefully, to Bab al Shams. The sunset will decide how far we reach. The Patrol's driving order will be as follows: @Mario Cornejo @Kalahari at #3 @Rizwan Waheed at #4 @Thomas Varghese at #5 @Craig Finlayson at #6 @MUHAMMAD Kashif RAZZAQ will be #7 @Melenany is #8 @Amir Amiri at #9, and @Jorge Stepniak Felippe will Sweep at #10. Our radios will be tuned on Carnity channel #1 (446.006). The meeting time is a "brisk" 3:30PM, to make sure the drive is as worthy as possible of a well motivated desert patrol's unit 😉. Enjoy your end of the week, and see you all on Saturday.

1. Mark the location 2. Take lots of pictures from various angles 3. If the car is in a condition to be driven drive it out on to the road. If on a flat area with a clear route to exit it can be towed as well 4. Call the cops after reaching the road. I have rarely seen or heard someone getting injured due to a rollover on the sand. But in the event if there is a serious injury you will most definitely have to call the cops while in the desert, who would then guide on the next steps

@Peter Hager @Hafizah Okunnu @Mohamed Haris @Adam James @Shama Zamora @Alex Hollands Below you can find the convoy numbering for tomorrow's drive Absolute Newbie Drive Al Qudra 09 July 2021 Attendees Level Car Pos # Vanessa8580 Marshal Mitsubishi Pajero LWB Blue 1 Mohamed Haris Absolute Newbie Mitsubishi Pajero LWB white 2014 2 Adam James Absolute Newbie Land Rover Defender 1997 white 3 Alex Hollands Absolute Newbie Jeep Wrangler 2011 4 Shama Zamora Absolute Newbie Jeep Wrangler 2 door 2016 Red 5 Hafizah Okunnu Absolute Newbie Jeep Wrangler 2 door 2020 6 Peter Hager Absolute Newbie Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 7 Nivin Advance Nissan Xterra Blue 8 We will be using radio channel 1 (446 00625). Don't worry if you don't have a radio yet, I will bring spare radio's with me. If there is an emergency, you can contact me on the number 056 434 1668. I hope to see you all tomorrow morning at 5 am.

Thank You @M.Seidam Thanks @Sunil Mathew Thanks Ranjan

congrats @Chinthaka Ruwan

Congrats @Chris Wing

YESSSSSS !!! 🤓 Yes I made a mistake. So Sorry. Of course you are in. Thanks for noticing this. 😊

Dear Team Can anyone advise me about the vehicle insurance during off road activities , As we are going off road & would like to have off road coverage , I checked with my car insurance company they provide offroad but with in a 2.0 KM radius not beyond that , so please advise if any comapny provide this type of insurance , Thanks in advance Sunil 055-9953086

Dear Team Thanks for the provided information , theses information are more than enough to take insurance either from AXA or RSA

Thanks @Abdul Rahman AK

Congrats @Chris Wing!

Congrats @Chinthaka Ruwan!

Congrats @Ishraque!

Drive RSVP closed @Willie @Erik Ean @Aravind Sidhardhan @Santoso Marjuki @Naveen Raj @Josh T. @Karl Dela Cruz @Philip Burger @Sherry Mathew Jacob @Karthikeyan Govindarajan Thank you all for joining the drive. @Srikumar is not joining us this weekend and I @Asif Hussain will be leading the drive. Convoy Position Asif Hussain – Xterra Willie – SWB Pajero Erik Ean – Subaru Outback Aravind Sidhardhan – Fortuner Santoso Marjuki – LWB Wrangler Naveen Raj – LWB Pajero Josh T. – GMC Sierra Karl Dela Cruz – FJ Cruiser Philip Burger - LWB Pajero Sherry Mathew Jacob – Cherokee Karthikeyan Govindarajan - LC We will be broadcasting on radio frequency 446.081-25 (Carnity Channel No.4) New members if you don't have radios we will provide spare radio to use. From the second drive onward you need to get your own radio. Some important pointers: 1) Please watch the Newbie Video Briefing in case you have not done it before. 2) Please go through the COVID regulations and abide by them during the drive. MUST READ AND TOTALLY AGREE: COVID19 Precautions https://carnity.com/forums/topic/15097-covid-19-precautions-must-read-before-drive 3) Make sure your front and back towpoints are in perfect condition. We will need them to recover you safely. 4) In case of emergency you can call me at 0506990411 5) Those who had not programmed the radio please find below post on how to program. https://carnity.com/advice/offroad/carnity-two-way-radio-frequencies-r119 Meeting Point: Al Khatim Abu Dhabi - https://maps.app.goo.gl/DSUQyzqVtFwGs5hi6 See you all tomorrow.

Dear Desertnauts. Here's the latest update about tomorrow's drive. First of all, the meeting point is a bit tricky to find, when following Google Maps. I'll try to explain better. From Qudra's Last Exit, please take the road to Bab al Shams Resort (first right at the Qudra roundabout, coming from Dubai). Upon reaching the first roundabout, take the second exit, to reach this point: https://maps.app.goo.gl/oeXzNh6zySDJZ7Hf9 Once passed the bike track, please reach the meeting point by taking a right dirt track through the sabkha, as posted below, until you reach a construction camp, where I and/or one of the other Seniors will be parked. Once at the meeting point, start deflating to between 13 and 11 PSI, depending on your tires. We will be tuning in on Carnity radio channel #3 (446.031). We'll leave as soon as deflation is complete, in an easterly directions, to cross a short patch of technical dunes, with the goal of reaching the long-range dunes of Qudra north, and side-slope back and forth through this area. Having done this, we'll move back west, through more technical terrain, looking out for gazelles and groups of trees, until we'll reach, once again, a set of long range, tall dunes, where we'll finally find numerous rock formations, and natural pools. Our convoy order will be the following: @Senthil Kumar will be Second Lead @Alexander Holodny at #3 @YOGG30 at #4 @Damiru Dharmadasa will be #5 @SUNIL KUMAR at #6 @Jason Grima will take place #7 @Kailas will be the Center Forward @FARAZ MOHAMMED at #9 @Super Safari Girl will be #10 @Yawa at #11 @James Thorn will be #12 @shu yang will drive at #13 @TT_Dubai at #14, and @MUHAMMAD Kashif RAZZAQ will Sweep the long convoy. See you all tomorrow, sharp at 5:00 AM. Have a nice end of the week.

RSA passed my Offroad claim without any hitch. They only required the police report; service was prompt and fast

I have insurance from RSA and it costed me around 1500 for my 2013 model and it covers the iff roading aswell

Never tell me the odds! of @Wrangeld throwing in a last minute surprise! excited to be back at the wheel and exploring from a new start point! Oh, my dear friend, how i've missed you @Ahab Shamaa - great to be on a drive together!

Looking forward to this, I am. I like firsts, good or bad, they are always memorable. This is the way.

Hi @Ale VallecchiI see Ali Abas is waiting for his first drive, so priority goes to him, kindly remove me from WL.

My drives journey has hit a milestone. I have scored half century this past Friday. While my drive count shows 51 on the forum - I was absent on one afternoon drive, which was my 2nd drive of the day. These are a snapshots of my drives till date. Looking forward to many many more. Any and all criticisms are welcome.

I like this topic. My question for you will be "what kind of off-roading are you planning to do?". If you will limit to our weekends on the dessert in UAE, don't bother lifting your jeep. It is not required for what we do here. The Wrangler is already the most capable Offroad vehicle as it comes from the factory. If you already have 1" lift, my advice is DON'T TOUCH IT and enjoy it as it is. Sand off-roading don't require that much of a clearance. It is more about engine power, light vehicle and driver's wrists and feet. It is true that bigger jeeps look better, but for sand is actually better not to be too big for many reasons: weight, gravity center, gas autonomy, power compromise, etc. But if you want to do rocks and mud on the wadis, then that is another story. If that is your thing let me know. I am looking for a partner to do that, hahahaha.

Cat gave the approval, but no. It is not safe.

Hi @Ishraque, Congratulations

Thank you Lakshmi Thank you @Frederic for all your support and advices.

Well done @Chris Wing !

Congrats @Chinthaka Ruwan

Congrats @Chris Wing

Feel good to drive with you @Asif Hussain after long time. Looking forward…

And these days with Beema you get Axa cover with almost the same price as the useless ones...trying it for first time, coverage is any case by Axa so i think a good option.

How could I forget ! Sorry my friend I will add you to the drive now !

Depends I guess..... In general though, given the cage is properly bolted to the frame and padded, but at this point you might as well take the windshield off and drive with goggles and full race gear on, if you need this cage then you must be doing something extreme right? Besides I think it really depends on whether you have a body on frame or unibody chassis, this rollcage makes sense in an off road only jeep wrangle but not so much in a Grand Cherokee that you take your kids to school in. Image is a jeep meant to do be doing 120kmh over Rocky terrain in King Of The Hammers. Not street legal anymore.

For some of my business travels, I have been driven in 4wd cars with roll cage. It was bolted to the chassis and thickly padded but it was restricted to the driver and passenger capsule. I have never seen roll cage that extend till the front windscreen.

Hi @Jason Grima, Just directing you to other threads on the forums, in case you did not read already, lot of pointers in these Eventhough Jeep appears to be the brand owned by max people within the club, our Jeep forum is comparatively inactive, wrt Xterra and Pajeros, not sure why ..probably because not many leads/marshals drive jeeps these threads are not exactly a comparison between body lift and suspension lift, but address the question of whether or not to lift, and when to lift etc. to an extent

Firstly, it's not mandatory to lift your car only for the sake of driving off-road in the sand. The ample amount of stock cars in Carnity that venture into the desert every weekend is a testimony for that. But then you have mentioned a 2-2.5 inch lift, which is not too big. Now for a 2 - 2.5 inch lift, a body lift kit with spacers would be sufficient as this doesn't tamper with the factory suspension settings and would also give you sufficient stability on the road. The suspension lift kit is generally for bigger lifts (4 inch and above) and would need alteration of your entire setup which would cost signicantly more. In both cases you can then install slightly bigger tyres which improves the overall look of the car. But do remember, if you go crazy on increasing the tyre size you will then land in the other issue of car feeling sluggish which might result in a possible regearing and entering the never ending cycle of mods. Welcome to the Jeep World 😂