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Dear Sand Sailors @Werno @Jona @salah2u @Mahmoud Taha @Jessica Lambert @Joseph Raju @Gerrit Bus @Yusuf Esaf Thanks for RSVPing for the drive. What an awesome mix of rides and riders we have here - from new to Fb+ to experienced intermediates and that too with all makes of vehicles - actually, don’t think we are missing any options, perhaps a truck, let’s see we have may have new joinees over thr week. This is going to be some nice fun on the sand. I have been out of country and have missed the feel of sand for last two weekends, so really looking forward for this drive. Last time we were on this track, we covered around 75Km in 3.5 hours and that was not with intent for a fast pace drive. So let’s see what we can achieve with this awesome convoy we have here. No pressure, I think that was a NB or a FB drive 🤔🤔 Key elements to plan before Sunday. a. Take good rest before the drive. b. Hydrate yourself properly through the week, my ambition with this High speed Drive is not to even allow for time to drink during the drive 😀😀. Dubai 30x30 is starting soon, take this as a preparatory drive. c. Ensure your vehicle is in good shape. d. Check all your gears. High speed drive entails high speed fixing any issues as well and that requires all your gears to be in perfect shape. So sharpen up those shovels and wrap up properly those ropes. No radio, hmmmm it’s okay, drive back home from Last Exit can be exciting too 😀 e. Most important every day for rest of the week, before heading back to bed at night and as soon as you wake up, recite this Mantra atleast 3 times. “No Countersteering,No fighting gravity” ”No Countersteering, No fighting gravity” ”No Countersteering, No fighting gravity” Only those with recording of daily recitals will be allowed for the drive 🤣🤣 See you all on Sunday. Have a nice week ahead. Cheers

the roll over recovery bit is interesting, we never tried this technique.

Offroading in 1920's. Stock suspension, Stock tires, rolls overs and recovery

Congrats @Haitham Khattab !!! Well deserved ! and welcome to the new level See you sooon !

Thank you @Ignacio Quindós, Looking forward to drive with you again soon🙏 Thank you Dr @M.Seidam 🙏 Thank you @Simon Dawood🙏

And wow we have our Truck in it .. welcome onboard @Beide Worku

@Haitham Khattab well done , and enjoy the new level of excitement 😁

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab for the very well-deserved promotion 🎉👏 Looking forward to our next drives together!!

Hi @Jessica Lambert, I think the general conditions and the route we were taking, with a lot of side slips was actually contributing to the danger of getting a pop-out. As said after the drive you were driving amazing and you got the maximum out of your set up. If we would have changed cars I would have had more pop-outs for sure and I promise, you would not have managed a single one with my Jeep. I doubt that you need beadlocks. I think optionally wider rims but proper AT Tyres will do the job as well! @Tom B, @Rob S you probably have a recommendation for Jessica! @Islam Soliman thank you again for your trust making me the second lead. It was a great Sunday with adventures conditions and a lot of nice surprises of Mother Nature. Looking forward to the next drives! @the group! it was a very short convoy. Nevertheless the pace and the teamwork was outstanding. Have a great week ahead see you soon in the sand! Felix

Hi all, another post to share what ended up being surprisingly difficult to understand best tyre and wheel sizes for Toyota Prado when off-roading. I will not focus on “what tire is best?” But more what size! Plenty of posts on what tires are best if you use the search within this forum! It’s also important to note that for sand driving, the aim of reducing tyre pressures is to increase the contact patch once the tyre deflates. There is an article here on Carnity (will try to find link later) that roughly concludes that while the area of this contact patch is important for floatation, the shape is also important and a slightly longer and slimmer contact patch may perform better than a shorter and wider contact patch (this was relevant in my final choice!) Wheel size https://www.tyresizecalculator.com/charts/rim-width-range-and-measuring-rim-width-for-tire-size Almost all advice was to move to 17inch wheels regardless of whether car was fitted with 17’s, 18’s or 19s as standard. I did not research if they very latest models can’t fit 17s so this would be worth checking but I don’t believe it is an issue. 16s will not fit over the brake callipers on majority of models. The rest of the article will be based on the assumption you move to 17inch wheels or keep the current stock 17s if you have! The link above also shows suggested Rim width and tyre size. If you select 265 width tyres, its good point to note that the recommended wheel size 7” to 9” so avoid any extra wide wheels unless you go to wider tyres! Tyre size https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/ Link above is your friend if you want to go into detail. Standard 17 tyre size is 265/65/R17. 285 wide tyres will fit, and there are guides from various Australia sites but do involve lift kits and other adjustments and not convinced these are required for desert driving here in Dubai. (Maybe help to increase ground clearance if you are driving in Wadis often) Two main options suggested for Prado were 265/70R17 and 275/65R17 (and can be fitted without a suspension lift). 275/65 tyres offer a wider footprint (275mm vs 265mm) and increased sidewall height of 7mm (179mm vs 172mm). Due to the additional width, some Prado owners have faced rubbing issues on the body mounts unless the offset of the wheel is changed. 265/70 tyres offer same width footprint (265mm) but a larger increase in sidewall height of 14mm (186mm vs 172mm). With the tyre width not being changed, and only the sidewall height increasing (with the Prado having a large wheel arch gap) i am told and believe there should be no issues. This tyre size is my recommendation based on the fact that larger sidewall gives greater ground clearance but will also deform to create a longer and slimmer contact patch after deflation. Wheel offset Standard Offset for my 2015 Prado is +ve 25. This means the center of the wheel sits inwards 25mm from the center of the Hub. Most Off-road wheels offered to me in Dubai were Zero offset. This means that the wheel moves outwards by 25mm. This helps to create a wider stance and in my option makes the car look better! You will find various articles about offset changes, impacts on suspension, wear and tear of components and scrub radius so will leave you to come to your own conclusions here. So what did I do . . . . ? I settled on keeping my standard 17” wheels with 7.5” width and went with 265/70R17 tyres, I also opted to add a 30mm spacer (leading to theoretical offset of -ve 5. Overall, I am happy with the changes, I believe the spacers added to better handling with the car feeling more stable on the road. Tyre wise, so far no issue with any rubbing and the car looks a bit more like a proper 4x4 and less like a family wagon.

Congratulations @salah2u for reaching the Intermediate Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. INTERMEDIATE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie Plus drives are required within last 6 months for Intermediate promotion. What you'll learn Basic GPS and navigational skills Basic tow rope and winch recoveries Extreme side sloping and long hill climb Tall dunes ridge riding and criss crossing Precise control over technical dunes Fast pace desert driving Clear radio communication skills Advance recovery skills Self recover from dune crest Soft sand recovery Pop-out fixing Skills required Adventurous and thrill seeker but in a safe manner Level headed under stressful situations Responsible, dependable and accountable Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS. Drive teamwork Manage center forward position with Trip Lead’s permission Learn/assist recoveries under Trip Lead’s supervision Re-route convoy and coordination, when needed Learn to lead small portion of Intermediate drive under Marshal supervision Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie, Intermediate and Exploration drives only Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab for reaching the Intermediate Level with Carnity Offroad Club. Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment. Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details. P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear. INTERMEDIATE Drives Attended (Indicative) Minimum 10 Fewbie Plus drives are required within last 6 months for Intermediate promotion. What you'll learn Basic GPS and navigational skills Basic tow rope and winch recoveries Extreme side sloping and long hill climb Tall dunes ridge riding and criss crossing Precise control over technical dunes Fast pace desert driving Clear radio communication skills Advance recovery skills Self recover from dune crest Soft sand recovery Pop-out fixing Skills required Adventurous and thrill seeker but in a safe manner Level headed under stressful situations Responsible, dependable and accountable Car Worthiness Capable 4x4 vehicle with low range gearing Suitable approach and departure angle High profile tires Off-road gear required Safety flag, tire deflator, tire pressure gauge, shovel, fire extinguisher, medical kit, radio (walkie-talkie), air compressor, tool kit, rated recovery rope and 2 rated shackles, GPS. Drive teamwork Manage center forward position with Trip Lead’s permission Learn/assist recoveries under Trip Lead’s supervision Re-route convoy and coordination, when needed Learn to lead small portion of Intermediate drive under Marshal supervision Drive Joining Join Newbie, Fewbie, Intermediate and Exploration drives only Forum participation Active participation on the forum Share drive experience + feedback Share drive pictures in the gallery Post trip report after the drive

Thanks for the tag! Just updated the post on prado section with some additional comments

congrats @Haitham Khattab.

well done @Haitham Khattab and well deserved.... congratulations

Thank you @DP1011 , Deepak wrangler, looking forward!😃

Thank you for your generous reassurance @Felix Obst, it makes me a little less afraid to get back out there next weekend Indeed, I have pored over @Rob S post on tyres especially for Prados and found it very helpful indeed (link below)! I have messaged a few garages requesting quotes, I would love to have them changed by Sunday.

@Haitham Khattab congratulations and well done 👍 enjoy your new level !

Thank you Bro @Imran Kashif, the long awaited level😊, see you soon inshallah Thank you @Benjamin🙏 Thank you @Salim Akhtar🙏 Thank you my friend @Amr Aydin, will catch up soon inshallah.

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab well done and deserved my friend 🙌🏼

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab. Enjoy the next level

@Haitham Khattab congrats on the promotion mate have a good one

Congratulations bro 🎉 @Haitham Khattab, welcome in intermediate level 😊

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab on the promotion,enjoy the pace and promotion 🙂

Mabrook Ya basha

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab enjoy the new level

@Haitham Khattab congratulations, enjoy the new level.

Well done and congratulations @Haitham Khattab!

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab. Well deserved. the real fund begins now. 😛

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab, that was a fast progression ! More exciting drives to come !!

Congrats @Haitham Khattab! Well-deserved neighbour!

Congratulations @Haitham Khattabon the promotion

@Haitham Khattab congrats mate - keep it up

Congrats @Haitham Khattab !!! Well deserved !

Congratulations @Haitham Khattab on your promotion. well done.

A fair few months on i wanted to update this post. Im still of the opinion that 265/70 is better for the desert than a 265/65. However, when i got to fewbie plus level and criss crossing i sometimes found rubbing issue on the left hand wheel, when steering left, it would rub slightly on the back of the wheel arch. Ive since found that my shock bushes and lower arm bushes were worn and could have resulted in extra movements. If you want to play it safe and ensure zero rubbing, id suggest 265/65. would welcome other comments. Now with new bushes, lift kit etc etc i rarely get any rubbing.

Don't think @Nathan Lin that case will have a 20mm thk MS, hope will be enough

@salah2u congratulations, enjoy the new level.

Thank you @JeromeFJ, yeah time flies, i still remember my 1st Absolute newbie drive as if it was 1 month ago (you were supporting the drive, along with @Brette leading) yet the level of experience and people we meet makes the journey fun & memorable. i am sure more exciting drives will come inshallah. Thank you brother @Rizwanm2, looking forward to the adrenaline 😎😎 Thank you @munkybizness, see you soon

No, not a pilot, engineer,

Congratulations on the promotion @Prakash Anoop enjoy the new level 😀

Congratulations @Simon Dawood

Probably have pissed off a Ton of patrols trying to overtake my pajero!!!