Gaurav

3 hours ago, Pavel Pashkovskiy said:

To talk about Jeep, you must have Jeep at first. To talk about proper Jeep you must have Jeep and first and make from it proper Jeep at second. Only people who passed all this steps can prove difference. 

Any stock car can climb something, even Toyota Corolla. 

Carnity is a platform that values the voices of all car owners and off-roaders for open discussion. Ultimately, whether one finds satisfaction in their vehicle, modified or not, is entirely a personal choice.

Reflecting on your Masterclass on February 28, 2023, where the focus was on exploring the world of off-roading without succumbing to the expenses of yachting, it's evident that each sport and lifestyle has its unique approach. Some prefer a more light-hearted experience, while others venture to the extreme.

In the realm of off-roading, it's important to note that the Carnity off-road club isn't tailored for those seeking an extreme adventure. Numerous splinter clubs exist, each showcasing their prowess every week, engaging in the perpetual debate of who can outperform the other.

Frederic, boasting over 8 years of off-roading experience with four different vehicles, doesn't own a Jeep, possibly sharing a sentiment similar to mine. I, too, find Jeeps to be a bit unreliable compared to their Japanese counterparts. This perspective is rooted in the experiences during the 2007-2014 production line, where Wranglers faced numerous issues, particularly in the desert of Dubai. Now, the JL model is diligently working to rebuild that tarnished reputation, making significant strides, though perhaps with a humorous nod to the crank seal challenges.

In essence, you've effectively shared your perspectives through your successful mods and presented your argument in this discussion with a reasonable rationale, which is commendable. Let's kindly conclude the conversation there to uphold the positive and constructive nature of this debate.

Congratulations @Dan S for reaching the Fewbie Plus Level with Carnity Offroad Club.

Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment.

Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details.

P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear.

FEWBIE PLUS

Meeting point with coordinates, in case someone uses non google GPS 

Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/UDzJ7FKT2Aq5HcyFA

Coordinates: 24.921222, 55.522167

24°55'16.4"N  55°31'19.8"E

1 hour ago, GS periwal said:

I have simple waki talki with standard 16 channels, would that be fine? 

Please program to have all carnity channels

Please find your convoy number below.

We will use Radio Channel 1 - 446.006

@sohinik @Ghaithh @Mariem @GS periwal @GS periwal @Prithvi Raj @Hani Howeedy @Benjamin @Jasim Bo Falah @ozgu @Rohit Deginal @Andrew John Melvill @Mahmut @Shaun J @Rahul6157 @Renier Venter @Abdullah N @Gary F

1. Gaurav               2 Door - Silver Pajero
2. sohinik                Chevrolet Trailblazer
3. Ghaithh               2018 Mitsubishi Pajero - 2 door - brown
4. Mariem               Toyota prado
5. GS periwal          2022, GXR, 4 doors Toyota Prado, Blue
6. Prithvi Raj           2017 - Pajero GLS 3.5 - 5 Door - White
7. Hani Howeedy    2015 GMC sierra denali
8. Benjamin           2018 Jeep Wrangler Sport JL silver
9. Jasim Bo Falah    Nissan Pathfinder , FJ and Tundra
10. ozgu                   2021 Nissan Safari Y61 / White
11. Rohit Deginal     Pajero 3.8 - 5 door - brown
12. Andrew John      2020, Mitsubishi Pajero, 4 door, 3.8, white
13. Mahmut             Jeep Wrangler 2005
14. Shaun J              2022 Toyota FJ Cruiser - Blue
15. Rahul6157         2019 Patrol Y62 Silver
16. Renier Venter    2016 Jeep Wrangler 2 door black
17. Abdullah N       2012, Nissan, Patrol, GCC, White
18. Gary F              2021 Jeep Gladiator Sandrunner White

Thanks @Mariem, please check your car front and rear tow points as standard Prado has them, very well, unless the previous owner has removed them for some odd reason.

Front and rear tow points are mandatory for all cars and without which you cannot join this drive.

@Ghaithh and @GS periwal appreciate it if you please share your details, which will help me prepare the convoy order accordingly.

23 hours ago, Harshal said:

@Gaurav Is the only option for joining the drive going to be opting for Sunday instead of Saturday or will you be able to accommodate WL members? I’ll plan accordingly. 👍

Hi Harshal, I have extended convoy by 5 cars factoring few no-show, absorbing all 11 WL wouldn't be possible for safety reasons.

@Ghaithh @GS periwal and @Mariem

First time with Carnity Off-road Club:

• Please share your vehicle details - Make, Model, Color, and Year.
• Do you have any prior off-road experience? If yes, pls share details.
• Confirm your vehicle has front and rear tow hooks/eyelets.
• Advise if you don’t have a programable radio and safety flag.
• MUST WATCH: NEWBIE VIDEO BRIEFING
   

@GS periwal @Rohit Deginal @Jasim Bo Falah @Gary F @Mariem

You have been added to drive RSVP, please confirm if you still like to join.

Hi All, Waitlist members, please "like this comment" if you are fine to join the Newbie drive at the same time & place but on Sun, 21 Jan - 1 PM to 5 PM.

If I have more than 6 likes from WL members, I'll add another drive.

• Like = Yes, I can join on Sun.
• Thanks = No, I can't.

@Harshal @GS periwal @Rohit Deginal @Jasim Bo Falah @Gary F @Mariem @Nagham Albeitawi @Abhilash Kottakkal @Arravind @Salim Akhtar @GabrielH

2 minutes ago, Guido Ferriani said:

Is it afternoon or 7 am? 😁 thanks

Fixed, its afternoon. My bad.

14 minutes ago, GabrielH said:

I'm not able to RSVP for the upcoming newbie drives. I don't see the calendar and instead there's a message saying I need to be active subscription. I'm have an active annual membership (renewed last month) and tried to sign in/out but getting the same issue.  Am I doing something wrong? 🥺

Congratulations @Mahesh_ for reaching the Fewbie Plus Level with Carnity Offroad Club.

Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment.

Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details.

P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear.

FEWBIE PLUS

Congratulations @Vijay Cowlagi for reaching the Fewbie Level with Carnity Offroad Club. 

Looking forward to seeing you growing further and helping others to learn the art of offroading in a safe environment.

Please make sure your Carnity user profile is always updated with all the latest Emergency contact details.

P.S. Trip lead might deny your participation if you don't have required off-road gear.

FEWBIE

Level:  Newbie and above (all levels)

Meeting time: 1:00 PM (SHARP - Without any exceptions)

Meeting Point: https://goo.gl/maps/UDzJ7FKT2Aq5HcyFA

Coordinates: 24.921222, 55.522167

24°55'16.4"N  55°31'19.8"E

Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance.

What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, face mask, rubber gloves, enthusiasm and willingness to learn.

Approximate finish time: 5:00 PM

P.S. Only join if you have a compressor to inflate your tires after the drive.

LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE:

• This drive is limited to 12 cars only. RSVP will close on Friday - 6 PM.
• If the RSVP is full, you can add your name to the waitlist, once anyone drops, you will be moved to the RSVP list.
• RSVP will close a day prior to preparing a convoy list.
• Latecomers will be returned back - Without any exceptions.
• Members without RSVP will be returned back - Without any exceptions.
• Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others.
• Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month.
   

Please RSVP on below calendar

Please find the convoy numbering below, we will use Radio Channel 4

@Jona @Issam Atra @Cristian @Deepak Eswar @Gurcharan Mehta @Mohit Gurnani @Pacific @george charbel @Emanuel @Mark B @Rk ram @Zulfikhar Naiyar @Gary F

1. Gaurav                  2 Door - Silver Pajero                            Crew
2. Jona                      Blue FJ Cruiser                                       Intermediate
3. Issam Atra             FJ cruiser - Silver                                   Fewbie Plus
4. Cristian                  2019 Jeep Wrangler JL - White            Fewbie Plus
5. Deepak Eswar        2023 Jeep Wrangler - 2 door - silver    Fewbie Plus
6. Gurcharan Mehta  2022 Jeep Wrangler 392 Blue               Fewbie Plus
7. Mohit Gurnani       FJ Cruiser 2022                                      Intermediate
8. Pacific                   2016 wrangler 2dr                              Support Team
9. george charbel      2017 Jeep Wrangler - 2 door - White   Fewbie Plus
10. Emanuel                2013 Mitsubishi, Pajero, Silver               Fewbie Plus
11. Mark B                  2022 jeep gladiator                                Intermediate
12. Rk ram                  X Terra                                                    Fewbie Plus
13. Zulfikhar Naiyar   2014 Nissan XTerra                                 Intermediate
14. Gary F                   2021 Jeep Gladiator Sandrunner White Intermediate

I have seen the pedal commander in your Pajero. Can you disable that and then clear this code and drive to check if it re-appears?

@GauravSoni and @Simon D both using Pedal Commander, might add some more ways to fix it.

Hi @george charbel you have been added to RSVP, please confirm if you still like to join this drive.

@Juan R and @Cristian you both have been added to RSVP, please confirm if you still like to join this drive.

We request every member that joins this drive to go through the information below and strictly follow these guidelines, etiquette and responsibilities.

MUST READ AND COMPLY

• Environmental Policy
• Offroad Flag Guideline
• Two Way Radio Guideline
• Off road Driving Etiquettes
• Emergency details for all off roaders
• Off Road Driving - Roles & Responsibilities
   

DRIVE DETAILS

Level:  Fewbie Plus and above
When: 13 January 2024, Saturday
Meeting time:  7:00 AM - Sharp
Meeting Point: https://maps.app.goo.gl/fxe8jY6vMnhRjw9Q7
Approximate finish time: 11:00 AM
Type of Car: Any proper 4x4 with front and back tow hooks and 8-10 inches of ground clearance.
What to bring along: Loads of water, snacks (for yourself), smiles, enthusiasm, and willingness to learn.

RECOMENDED OFF-ROAD GEAR:

• Tire deflator & Tire pressure gauge
• Compressor (MANDATORY)
• Walkie-talkie radio (MANDATORY)
• Off-road flag (MANDATORY)
• Shovel, Tow Rope & 2 Shackles
• First-aid kit
• Fire extinguisher
   

LIMITED SPOTS AVAILABLE

• This drive is limited to 10 cars only. RSVP will close on Friday - 12 PM.
• If the RSVP is full, you can add your name to the waitlist, once anyone drops, you will be moved to the RSVP list.
• RSVP will close a day prior to preparing a convoy list.
• Latecomers will be returned - Without any exceptions.
• Members without RSVP will be returned - Without any exceptions.
• Please withdraw your RSVP, if you aren't joining, so your spot can be taken by others.
• Repeated no-show members after RSVP will have their account suspended for a month.
   

PLEASE RSVP ON THE CALENDAR

All I can say is good luck with the use of 4L on long climbs exceeding a speed of 40-50 km, please write back in 6 months with your learnings and experience.

This is the most common and only trait of biased clubs to play with ego in a pissing contest to either show who can climb the highest or who can jump the highest for maximizing damage.

For a true hill climb, there are multiple things required if you need to compare Apple to Apple. Most of it boils down to:

• First: Experience, skills (line of attack, approach angle, distance and momentum), and understanding of your car gearing and power band, tires, tire size, tire pressure, and weight in the car.
• Second comes power mods and suspension.
• The Last is 4H and 4L.

1 hour ago, Josh S said:

@Frederic would the Rubicon put even more stress on the car in 4L when compared to the Sport/Sahara given the ratios?  Ie. More likely to damage with excessive speed. 

This 2023 owner's manual explains the logic to some extent: 3-4 times the engine speed in Low gearing.

Page 143

https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/servicemanuals/jeep/2023-wrangler.pdf

As far as I remember, the Wrangler states a maximum speed of 40 kmph in Low Gear. (Please double-check with your owner's manual).

Recently last year @Pavel Pashkovskiy enlightened me that the "Sand Runner" owner manual says up to 90 kmph in Low gear as they have some Mohave edition or gearing that allows such high speed in Lo.

As Fredy and Sri mentioned, most clubs that back 4 Low driving are backed by garages or off-road product sponsors, so they are pressed to break a minimum number of cars every week, like a sales target.

Even the many owners of such garages car sit in workshops for 5 days every week to come out and play 1 day as a show car doing top climbs and defying gravity at extreme angles.

@Josh S read your owner's manual, which will help you not let your head explode.

https://www.jeep.com.eg/content/dam/jeep/eg/other-pdfs/owners-manual/Jeep_Wrangler_Owners_Manual.pdf

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